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Title: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: gm2 on August 24, 2012, 09:12:20 AM
Giugliano ahead of Checa in Q1

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Aug/120824oo.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Aug/120824oo.htm)


Title: Re: 2013 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: duccarlos on August 24, 2012, 09:15:10 AM
I guess we can call this a Ducati track.


Title: Re: 2013 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: gm2 on August 24, 2012, 09:17:40 AM
I guess we can call this a Ducati track.

reportedly it's "tight, but fun."  (that's what she said)

rea said they spend a lot of time in 2nd gear.  so yeah, torque: good.


Title: Re: 2013 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: zooom on August 24, 2012, 09:20:54 AM
UHH...gm2...last I checked...it was still 2012...not 2013...


Title: Re: 2013 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: duccarlos on August 24, 2012, 09:22:20 AM
 [thumbsup]


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: gm2 on August 24, 2012, 09:23:27 AM
yeah yeah.. this one was copy/paste from the first error  [laugh]


Title: Re: 2013 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: ducpainter on August 24, 2012, 02:17:20 PM
UHH...gm2...last I checked...it was still 2012...not 2013...
He's ahead of his time... ;D


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: gm2 on August 24, 2012, 03:05:45 PM
He's ahead of his time... ;D

...see, thing is... i just know i'm gonna be much more into WSBK next year..  ;)
 


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: ducpainter on August 26, 2012, 07:40:48 AM
Crash fest...

both races.

Sykes in race 1 with Melandri and Biaggi.

Race 2 saw Melandri ahead of Sykes and Davies.

The boys were taking each other out towards the end of both races.

Max is a douche. Took Haslam out big time trying a pass he couldn't pull off.

Laverty highsided and  collected Rea.

I hope Rea feels well enough if he does test the RC213.


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: duccarlos on August 26, 2012, 08:53:55 AM
In a tight track and these guys not normally being shy about rubbing, you could have expected it.


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: El Matador on August 26, 2012, 12:14:37 PM
Crash fest...

both races.

Sykes in race 1 with Melandri and Biaggi.

Race 2 saw Melandri ahead of Sykes and Davies.

The boys were taking each other out towards the end of both races.

Max is a douche. Took Haslam out big time trying a pass he couldn't pull off.

Laverty highsided and  collected Rea.

I hope Rea feels well enough if he does test the RC213.

He is. But seeing him almost be turne away from the motogp paddock entrance because the guard didn't recognize him will forever be a fond memory. His face was priceless


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 26, 2012, 02:00:41 PM
http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/183258/1/biaggi_apologises_to_haslam_loses_lead.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/183258/1/biaggi_apologises_to_haslam_loses_lead.html)


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: ducpainter on August 26, 2012, 03:10:30 PM
http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/183258/1/biaggi_apologises_to_haslam_loses_lead.html (http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/183258/1/biaggi_apologises_to_haslam_loses_lead.html)

When Haslam sees the replay he won't be happy.

Did you see it?


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 26, 2012, 03:17:02 PM
When Haslam sees the replay he won't be happy.

Did you see it?

Yeah, he explained pretty well, fighting hard went in too deep, got off line and crashed. What about the one in race 1?


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: ducpainter on August 26, 2012, 03:20:14 PM
Yeah, he explained pretty well, fighting hard went in too deep, got off line and crashed. What about the one in race 1?
There was no way he was gonna overtake the Honda under those circumstances.

It was a stoopit move.

Which one?  :P


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 26, 2012, 03:25:38 PM
There was no way he was gonna overtake the Honda under those circumstances.

It was a stoopit move.

Which one?  :P

Don't remember who it was, but they were in the top 4 at the time.


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 26, 2012, 03:29:24 PM
I sense an internal conflict in your head.  :P


quote author=ducpainter link=topic=59247.msg1094395#msg1094395 date=1345992706]
There's a lot less 'manners' involved in SBK.  ;D
[/quote]


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: ducpainter on August 26, 2012, 03:33:28 PM
I sense an internal conflict in your head.  :P


quote author=ducpainter link=topic=59247.msg1094395#msg1094395 date=1345992706]
There's a lot less 'manners' involved in SBK.  ;D

It's fine as long as it isn't Max.  :-*

Seriously...

an aggressive pass is awesome.

Unfortunately stoopit is somewhat different.

If a guy goes wide in a corner and you want to stuff it by that's great. If it doesn't end well... :-\

When a guy barrels into the back of someone in a straight line...

douche.  ;)


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 26, 2012, 03:37:26 PM
Bro, you've been around long enough to know, shit like this happens in "all" forms of motorsports. These guys do this for a living. Racing is Racing and shit goes wrong.


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 26, 2012, 03:40:42 PM
Max is completely off line and his grippers couldn't whoa him down on the dirty part of the track.  ;)


Max Biaggi vs Leon Haslam big crash ( SBK 2012 Moscow race 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwcD21JEVE4&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: ducpainter on August 26, 2012, 03:41:49 PM
Bro, you've been around long enough to know, shit like this happens in "all" forms of motorsports. These guys do this for a living. Racing is Racing and shit goes wrong.
...and you know that someone that does this for a living should be better than Max was today.

He's 41 years old and makes rookie mistakes when he's under pressure.

I'm not buying it.

Max is completely off line and his grippers couldn't whoa him down on the dirty part of the track.  ;)


Max Biaggi vs Leon Haslam big crash ( SBK 2012 Moscow race 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwcD21JEVE4&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)

No one had been there all weekend.

He's a moron.


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 26, 2012, 03:51:09 PM
 :D don't make it personal. It's just a sport, dudes making huge amounts of money to entertain fans. Like Bozo used to do.  [drink]


Bozo The Clown Opening (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaezjE1uJTw&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: ducpainter on August 26, 2012, 04:00:53 PM
:D don't make it personal. It's just a sport, dudes making huge amounts of money to entertain fans. Like Bozo used to do.  [drink]


Bozo The Clown Opening (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaezjE1uJTw&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)

...that isn't the Bozo I remember.  ;D

I'll agree to disagree about the douche.  [thumbsup]


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 26, 2012, 04:03:53 PM
I would rather watch Max hang it out and crash, then watch "the Golden Boy" give up.  ;)


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 26, 2012, 04:06:37 PM
Can you remember who tried the stuff job in Race 1 that caused the crash? I can't.


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: ute on August 26, 2012, 04:12:01 PM
now that was racing !!!

WSBK ..sooooooooooo much better than GP

Even though Max stuffed it that was an amazing  2 wheel slide ...out of control ...inevitable....tears  

I think that Rae forced him over ..I would say Rae was more at fault than Max


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 26, 2012, 04:30:58 PM
Here it is, about 1:04. Max was crashing, this dude wasn't.


SBK Race 1 - Moscow 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEOLPxt0ie4&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: ducpainter on August 26, 2012, 04:53:54 PM
Here it is, about 1:04. Max was crashing, this dude wasn't.


SBK Race 1 - Moscow 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEOLPxt0ie4&feature=youtube_gdata_player#)
Well...

it was a crash fest. [laugh]


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 26, 2012, 04:59:23 PM
Well...

it was a crash fest. [laugh]

 :D


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 26, 2012, 05:13:39 PM
He is. But seeing him almost be turne away from the motogp paddock entrance because the guard didn't recognize him will forever be a fond memory. His face was priceless

Yeah, cause some $7.50 an hr security guard knows who professional Moto riders are.  :-*


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: ZLTFUL on August 26, 2012, 07:25:45 PM
I think that Rae forced him over ..I would say Rae was more at fault than Max

Watch EVERY one of Rae's laps up to and including that one. He did the exact same thing he did every lap which was the same several other riders did. He swung slightly inside to block of the inside line during braking and then out to his turn-in point. Max went in too low, too hot and too stupid.


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 26, 2012, 08:05:48 PM
Watch EVERY one of Rae's laps up to and including that one. He did the exact same thing he did every lap which was the same several other riders did. He swung slightly inside to block of the inside line during braking and then out to his turn-in point. Max went in too low, too hot and too stupid.

Inside?


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: ducpainter on August 27, 2012, 04:00:10 AM
Inside?
to the left on the straight.


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: zooom on August 27, 2012, 05:04:27 AM
CRASHFEST indeed it was....that long ass straight made for some braking carnage...


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 27, 2012, 07:44:26 AM
to the left on the straight.

 [thumbsup]


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: thought on August 27, 2012, 09:13:34 AM
Crashfest yes, but some great racing in there.  I like the new track, worth the addition to the roster.

But def some pretty big upsets for the championship after this weekend... though I do feel bad for Checa... unless something goes horribly wrong with at least 3 other riders he's out.


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: BastrdHK on August 27, 2012, 11:28:48 AM
Max touches Rhea as he tries to draft past, which threw off his braking point.  He was hoping to run straight on and slice through the pack, but Haslam did not see him, turned in and boom.....great onboard from the Eurosport UK coverage.  The director cut to max's onboard and we got a face full of BMW rear tire/fender.  There was nothing Halsam or Max could've done really.  Max made the mistake, and apologized for it, even though it was caused by a bump with Rhea.  Not blaming Johnathan, but I have sympathy and respect for Max taking responsibility on this one!

Race 1 Haslam nailed Davies b/c they were on drastically different lines exiting a double apex right hander.  Haslam mistakenly thought Davies ran wide, when you look at Davies (and a few other riders, Melandri maybe) took a square it and shoot approach where haslam was running a smoother, shallower line pushing him wide on the exit into Davies as he closed his deeper line for a longer exit onto the straight.

That was a big crash too!  Amazind Davies kept it up, really like him as rider....no nonsense.

Sucked for Checa, I was hoping he would put on a late season charge for the title, but it is all Max and Marco now with 3 rounds/6 races left.



Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: duccarlos on August 27, 2012, 12:52:16 PM
It's the same complaint, the Duc is underpowered. maybe they should steal some horsies from the MotoGP bike.


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: tufty on August 27, 2012, 02:03:17 PM
He's 41 years old and makes rookie mistakes when he's under pressure.

So much this.

He's a moron.

And most definitely this also.

 >:(


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: tufty on August 27, 2012, 02:05:24 PM
I think that Rae forced him over ..I would say Rae was more at fault than Max

Were we watching the same race? 8)


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: gm2 on August 27, 2012, 02:07:07 PM
[Davies] really like him as rider....no nonsense.

 [thumbsup]


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 27, 2012, 02:11:45 PM
Were we watching the same race? 8)

Start freeze framing the vid I posted, starting at 24sec and you'll see how wide he was pushed, at 27 you can see dirt kicking up off the track. He was along for the ride from that point forward.


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: tufty on August 27, 2012, 02:17:25 PM
Start freeze framing the vid I posted, starting at 24sec and you'll see how wide he was pushed, at 27 you can see dirt kicking up off the track. He was along for the ride from that point forward.

Sorry I don't see it, Rea was already out there when Max began his move.


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 27, 2012, 02:26:41 PM
Sorry I don't see it, Rea was already out there when Max began his move.

Was he? Or at 22-23 sec did he move out there to block? Without footage we'll never know, but at 27 Max knows he's crashing, if he leaned it in on that dirty part of the track he would have low sided and possibly taken out a few more bikes.


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: duccarlos on August 27, 2012, 02:43:05 PM
Max was way way way off the racing line by the time that Rea made contact. He would have never made it back unless he was willing to share Rea's leathers. I agree with those that said it was a dumb move.


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 27, 2012, 03:01:23 PM
Max was way way way off the racing line by the time that Rea made contact. He would have never made it back unless he was willing to share Rea's leathers. I agree with those that said it was a dumb move.

Then Johnny would have been way way way off the line as well.  :D


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: ducpainter on August 27, 2012, 03:05:19 PM
Then Johnny would have been way way way off the line as well.  :D
Nope...

Johnny wasn't out there trying to make a stupid unmakeable pass.

I can see this going on for eternity. [laugh]


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: kopfjäger on August 27, 2012, 03:11:20 PM
Nope...

Johnny wasn't out there trying to make a stupid unmakeable pass.

I can see this going on for eternity. [laugh]

Let me get another beer.  :D


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: DRKWNG on August 29, 2012, 07:43:50 PM
Let me get another beer.  :D

You drink?


Title: Re: 2012 WSBK Round 11 - MOSCOW (Spoilers!)
Post by: ZLTFUL on August 30, 2012, 08:15:45 PM
It is very common for racers to drift inside (or to the left in this case) to cut off the inside line of the next corner (again in this case). Like I said, Rea was doing that same slide left then back right for his turn in point every single lap. And he wasn't the only one.

Max wrote a check his talent couldn't cash. And as much as I want to pee on the guy every time I see him, it was a stand up move to immediately apologize to Leon.


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