Yesterday, I went to fire up the my Monster 1100Evo for the first time in ~ a week. no surprise to me, the thing goes through it start up sequence, and when I try to fire it up, it sputters, stalls, and gives me the 0005 rSW error, and the electronics reset. the bike has done this every now and again for as long as i've owned it, and I always just chalked it up as an annoyance of it not being japanese. Today thought it was a little different - a little more sputtering before it turned over (it wasn't on a tender, but again, only sat for about a week). Rode fine for ~ 60 miles or so, as it always does. After sitting at a light though, it (i) stalled [bang] pulling away, and when I tried to restart, i got another error. and another, and another. I sat on the side of the road for maybe 10 minutes turning it off, back on, etc. trying to get it to turn over, and as soon as it did, we're off and running no problems. My main question is what's going on when that happens? I can usually tell when it's gonna do it when it's cold, as what I assume to be the actuator for the exhaust valve sounds funny, like maybe the valve is stuck (i could be totally off on that one...no idea) usually turning it off/back on and letting it go through the startup sequence again helps. If i'm right and it's got something to do with that exhaust valve thing under my seat, would swapping in a duc.ee help? I know most people who've taken it to a dealer basically get "we can't replicate the issue"...
This is probably not it at all, but hey I figure I'd ask.
How many miles do you have on it? A 2012 1100 I'm guessing would have pretty low miles. When my 796 had <600 miles, sometimes it would shut off when cold. After a minute or two of riding, it would be fine. Dealer told me it was normal and it would happen less and less as the motor was broken in. Now with 10K miles it almost never happens unless it's unually cold outside and I don't warm it up at all.
Just rolled over 6k yesterday actually...Like i said, most of the time i just deal with it, although it would be nice to be able to set the clock. I just stopped cause it resets every time it errors, and it's annoying when I lose my trip distance per fuel tank...yesterday it was just a real pain in the ass...
The code is due to low voltage. You need to check all connections and charging system output. Better yet, 2012, get it to a dealer - warranty.
Quote from: howie on October 15, 2012, 09:35:51 PM
Better yet, 2012, get it to a dealer - warranty.
+1
And when you do, regardless of if they can replicate the problem(s) or not, ask them to report what error codes they found recorded by the ECU.
Then tell us.
Then we can tell you what they mean :).
yeah you guys are probably right...Maybe once it gets cold enough here in NJ that I don't hold out hope for a day warm enough to ride i'll bring it in...it's not a problem 99% of the time - that one incident this weekend was the first time it really bugged me, its gonna need to go in for service soon anyway.
I'm gonna be plugging in a bazzaz z-fi this weekend so I'll check connections then
should this thing be on a tender if it's going to be sitting a week-10 days-ish? this past week was probably the first time it's sat that long since I got it in March.
Quote from: shift1100 on October 16, 2012, 06:56:38 AM
should this thing be on a tender if it's going to be sitting a week-10 days-ish? this past week was probably the first time it's sat that long since I got it in March.
My 09 M1100s started first push of the button after sitting in my garage untendered for 3 months.
Quote from: shift1100 on October 16, 2012, 06:56:38 AM
I'm gonna be plugging in a bazzaz z-fi this weekend so I'll check connections then
If it were mine, I'd get these issues attended to - under warranty - BEFORE you add your Bazzaz. Do you really wanna give a dealer the potential to deflect the cause for any fault back onto you?
Quote from: ungeheuer on October 16, 2012, 03:10:58 PM
If it were mine, I'd get these issues attended to - under warranty - BEFORE you add your Bazzaz. Do you really wanna give a dealer the potential to deflect the cause for any fault back onto you?
this
more likely than not that's sound advice.
I took it out again yesterday and it pregnant doged at me again when I tried to start it up - I paid particular attention to the display and realized it's actually 0008, not 0005, on the display when it pops up. I thought that's what it always said, but when I typed that in google, it only came back with people getting the 5 error and it seemed like similar symptoms so I assumed, as I always do, that I must be wrong..anyway, anyone have an idea what the 0008 rSW error code pertains to? I also took a look at the voltage on the display, and I get 12.1 when it's shut down and 14.1-14.2 when it's fired up.
Either way, I'm gonna give the dealer a buzz today and see if I can bring it in...I just don't like to like the idea of bringing it in without any idea what the issue is. First duc, don't really have a dealer I trust yet...
any thoughts? anyone know a trustworthy dealer in Northern NJ?
Quote from: shift1100 on October 17, 2012, 05:37:33 AM
any thoughts? anyone know a trustworthy dealer in Northern NJ?
Rockwell cycles is the dealer i trust the most... second would be jack trebour and at the bottom of the list is ducati nyc. I know that Ducnyc suppsosedly has turned over a new leaf but I've still heard some stories about them that make me a bit iffy concerning bring my bike to them.
In terms of working on the bike for more than just warranty issues however I would say ECS is the way to go. They're not a dealer though so prob cant do anything about warranty work.
The bike came from Trebour, so I'm likely going to take it there, glad to hear someone think's it's a descent shop. It just seems small...maybe that's a good thing.
my second closest option is Cross Country in Metuchen - that place is huge though...not sure how I feel about that either.
I met the guys in NYC a few weeks back at an event in hoboken - seemed nice enough, but i've heard enough stories about the place/it's a pain to get into the city so they're not an option.
My 2012 1100 EVO gets plugged into tender every night, but I can definitely tell it has a weak starter system, compared to other bikes.
I don't know if it is a sucky battery (did this since day one though), or just the 1100 EVO has someone wrong in that area.
I wonder if the 1100 would improve with the old improving the starter cables and battery trick
I was planning on picking up a tender anyway for the winter time, I may try that out first and see if it helps at all...
Anyone with any ideas on what that 0008 rSW error code pertains to? I'd like to have an idea what's going on before I contact the dealer to bring it in
Traction control. Just describe the symptoms completely as you can to the Trebour and leave the diagnosis up to them. Their scan tool will pick up a lot more info.
tc is not what I expected. guess I'll be taking it in [thumbsdown]
Quote from: thought on October 17, 2012, 09:46:37 AM
Rockwell cycles is the dealer i trust the most... second would be jack trebour and at the bottom of the list is ducati nyc. I know that Ducnyc suppsosedly has turned over a new leaf but I've still heard some stories about them that make me a bit iffy concerning bring my bike to them.
In terms of working on the bike for more than just warranty issues however I would say ECS is the way to go. They're not a dealer though so prob cant do anything about warranty work.
Ive dealt with all three ecs,rockwell and ducati triumph nyc...
First of I'll start with ecs.. Did my 600miles service there. Great guys great mechanics. it sucks they dont do warranty work yet...
Ducati triumph nyc... Do not even think abt bringing ur baby to them.. Bought mine from them, had a leak from the rebound adjuster screw.. Wasted my time!! At the end they said theres no leak ...
Rockwell took care of that 1 2 3 ... The warranty covered parts and labor ..
Good to know [thumbsup] I took took a ride out to trebour yesterday, had the tech give it a once over and he seemed to think a tender would do the trick for me, so I picked one up.
Quote from: shift1100 on October 21, 2012, 08:21:43 AM
Good to know [thumbsup] I took took a ride out to trebour yesterday, had the tech give it a once over and he seemed to think a tender would do the trick for me, so I picked one up.
Yeah try that.. See how it goes .. And u go from here.. My bike has less than 2500miles and thank god no problems (except the leak which was a mechanical problem) ..... Good luck, let us know if anything. Thanks.
I think I can help. I had the same problem with my 696....it wouldnt start, errors popped up on the screen etc... I brought it into ducati dealer and they found that one of the cables was loose.. so check that all the cables coming from the tachometer are connected and not loose. After that I didnt see any errors. But when I went to fire it up the next morning I had a hard time starting it, even while on battery tender. Okay so this is what I did, I changed the oil and filter (I used oil that was slightly less viscous from 15w50 (Ithink) to i believe 10w 50 or 10w40 (full synthetic). After I did that I reset the TPS/ECU, by cycling the key 3 times (on/off on/off three times without letting it go to completion cycle) then on the four cycle -full I started her- she started up at first try. Ever since never had a problem starting or no codes or errors flashing. Its hard to believe but it worked. Hope this helps
If the battery is saying 12.1v before starting then its way too low needs to be 12.6v to be healthy.
man. Im stuck with a dead battery right now. this motor is NOT easy to start with a slightly weak battery! it drops as low as 10.5volts when i thumb the starter. it turned over and over and over and over without starting. Just not enough to get a strong spark and turn the starter over i guess.
The voltage was so low at some points the ECU just powers down and turns back on. the gauges sweep over and the HID begins to hot strike!
no good. This battery is toasted. I cant wait to get a new battery, i picked up a 12cell lithium off a friend. going to throw her in on monday and hope that will cure all the starting issues.
for now shes stuck in the parking lot. :(
Stuck where? I can offer you a jump start. If the charging system is functioning properly and your battery is not completely toas you should be able to make it home.
PM replied to last night!
Thanks for the offer.
I got a ride home this morning from a buddy who waas passing through. Going to bike back there with a tender and tend it over night.
i tried push starting her. man, she does NOT want to start. Injected bikes are a BEAST to push start without some serious speed. I was dragging the tire even in 3rd gear.
Quote from: jerryz on November 03, 2012, 10:44:49 PM
If the battery is saying 12.1v before starting then its way too low needs to be 12.6v to be healthy.
This.
I used to have a 749 and it was really hard to start. Battery will read around 12.3 after a couple days of sitting. I replaced the battery, then everything is well again.
You have to read the voltage when you push teh starter. when loaded, you want it to stay above ~10.8volts loaded. if it drops below that, it begins to become difficult to start. Not enough to turn and power the plugs.
you can have a battery read 12v with no load on it. so its not a correct way to judge a battery.
Quote from: He Man on November 04, 2012, 12:52:30 PM
You have to read the voltage when you push teh starter. when loaded, you want it to stay above ~10.8volts loaded. if it drops below that, it begins to become difficult to start. Not enough to turn and power the plugs.
you can have a battery read 12v with no load on it. so its not a correct way to judge a battery.
Sorta. Just taking a voltage reading across the battery tells you the state of charge. If a standard lead acid battery reads less than 12.6-12.8 volts it is not fully charged, higher for AGM and gel batteries, jury out for exact numbers. A fully charged battery is not always a good battery. Normally a load test confirms this. 1/2 CCA (cold cranking amps or 3X the amp hour rating for 15 seconds and the battery should stay above 9.6 volts. Since most of us don't have the needed equipment He Man's test works quite well, but the battery must be at least close to full charge.
guys its most likely not the battery... like I said I had the same problem and various people also told me it was the battery and that the voltage reading had to be at a specific value etc... I proved them wrong... change your oil to a slightly less dense one + KN filter and then you will thank me. Cheers
It is really easy to check the battery and rule that out if the battery is good. Then you check t be sure all connections including grounds. Sure, if you are running 20W-50 in cold weather changing to a lighter (as long as the weight is acceptable to manufacturer) may help since the heavier oil will add load to the starter. K&N filter? Please explain that one.
yeah filter has nothing to do with the starting issue, I just added that info to inform what filter I used that is all haha
i think it was also discovered that the correct oil level is important.
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I have this same problem on occasion with my 796. It started doing it when it was cold during its first winter. Also it was after I modded the exhaust so i have no idea if that matters. BUT after moving overseas the bike was in a crate for a few months and the problem got progressevly worse. I put a battery charger on it for a few hours and she fired right up no problems. IMO (and in my case) I just really need a new battery. If she sits a few days without being fired up its almost a guarentee that it will give me the error. I plan on buying a tender and having it on more often to help it.
you guys should read this...long but very interesting. forum link: http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1912.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1912.0)