Alright so I need to figure out why no one can tell me how to get the damn filter off my bike. I have had this bike for 3K miles and I want to change the oil. When I got the bike I tore it down to nothing and rebuilt the whole thing, so when I changed the oil last time I put the filter on with no manifolds on the bike. To the point, with the manifolds on the socket won't fit. When I had a valve clearance done last summer the dealer put a new filter on and torqued it because I had a small leak there. I know they used something and another dealer is telling me to either pull the exhaust or use a strap wrench.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8084/8440241858_e9f58762df.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90561799@N07/8440241858/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/90561799@N07/8440241858/#) by dolphaxel (http://www.flickr.com/people/90561799@N07/), on Flickr
use a strap wrench instead.
You can get a filter pliers at Walmart.
I haven't had much luck with a strap wrench or band wrench. They always seem to run into something before the filter moves.
Do you guys torque these to spec or just tight. I can just use a strap wrench if thats what I need to do, but I find it hard to believe that according to the dealer that I have the only bike with this problem.
Torque to spec, but 7/8 turn after gasket contact will work just fine too. A strap wrench should work to get it off as well as very large water pump pliers. You can buy a K&N filter, part# KN-153 and it will have a 17 mm. hex on the bottom, drilled for safety wire. The filter is good quality.
strap tool is the only way , best thing ever
Is that the motomfg tool?
I bought one and it didn't work on either one of my bikes.
Motomfg had me send it back, but they didn't credit me and wouldn't reply to any of my subsequent messages. Not cool.
BK
i believe you lot call them channel locks:
http://www.engineering-tools.com.au/category952_1.htm (http://www.engineering-tools.com.au/category952_1.htm)
get the 16" ones.
it's all i use to remove filters on ducatis.
tighten it by hand. you can go past the 11nm torque by hand.
Worse comes to worst, it's an old filter you're gonna throw away anyway. Just stab it with a long flat head screwdriver and use it as a handle to turn it out. Messy, but effective...
Quote from: brad black on February 03, 2013, 01:40:07 AM
i believe you lot call them channel locks:
http://www.engineering-tools.com.au/category952_1.htm (http://www.engineering-tools.com.au/category952_1.htm)
get the 16" ones.
it's all i use to remove filters on ducatis.
tighten it by hand. you can go past the 11nm torque by hand.
Some of us (me) also sometimes call them water pump pliers.
Quote from: howie on February 03, 2013, 05:25:48 AM
Some of us (me) also sometimes call them water pump pliers.
Raises hand... ;)
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o420/ZX750E2/Monster/IMG_0969_zps97d96a09.jpg)
Channel lock 209 plier (on top, blue handle) $17.95
http://www.channellock.com/209-Oil-Filter-PVC-Plier.aspx (http://www.channellock.com/209-Oil-Filter-PVC-Plier.aspx)
This will work in OP's case.
+1 on K&N filter.
the Channel Lock ( a brand) is super high quality if you like every tool you own to be super high quality. Ive got some channel locks that are well over 20 years old and still get used and abused. but a generic filter wrench will work jsut as well and you can usually pcik them up for 5 bucks.
You will need to use it everytime you change your filter, its just a matter of comfort. they will all do the job. Just make sure it has teeth on it!
I think I'm going to use a K&N this go around. I used them before on other bikes and had great luck. I think this is ridiculous. Its right next to putting a filter on the back of an engine block under the fuel injection as far as goofy.
anyone ever used one of these?
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=648943&group_ID=675601&store=&dir=catalog (http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=648943&group_ID=675601&store=&dir=catalog)
He man I'm with you for buying quality tools. Buy it once and have it forever. Also they rarely break or break what your working on.
Customer review of 3-jaw type universal oil filter wrench
http://www.amazon.com/Worlds-Best-Universal-Filter-Wrench/product-reviews/B000UD0CTQ/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 (http://www.amazon.com/Worlds-Best-Universal-Filter-Wrench/product-reviews/B000UD0CTQ/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1)
(I haven't used this type of wrench.)
Quote from: dolphaxel on February 03, 2013, 12:09:06 PM
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anyone ever used one of these?
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=648943&group_ID=675601&store=&dir=catalog (http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=648943&group_ID=675601&store=&dir=catalog)
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That looks nice, but I doubt that there's clearance for it.
I have no problems using this:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8334/8441963937_15d46bcaa9.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23081877@N02/8441963937/)
Mine looks like this...
(http://www.fullnoise.net.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/o/i/oil_filter_wrench_universal.JPG)
Quote from: S21FOLGORE on February 03, 2013, 02:14:28 PM
Customer review of 3-jaw type universal oil filter wrench
http://www.amazon.com/Worlds-Best-Universal-Filter-Wrench/product-reviews/B000UD0CTQ/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 (http://www.amazon.com/Worlds-Best-Universal-Filter-Wrench/product-reviews/B000UD0CTQ/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1)
(I haven't used this type of wrench.)
good for removing, not so good for installing.
The rule is hand tighten, but not crazy much, except we all have varying degree of how tight we can ge it by hand.. But for threads like that, i say without too much force until the thread stops, then add 1/4 turn to it by hand. THe heat cycling and crud will usually keep it on there afterwords without loosening up.
so i never used one for install. only to remove.
Quote from: He Man on February 03, 2013, 10:28:54 PM
The rule is hand tighten, but not crazy much, except we all have varying degree of how tight we can ge it by hand.. But for threads like that, i say without too much force until the thread stops, then add 1/4 turn to it by hand. THe heat cycling and crud will usually keep it on there afterwords without loosening up.
so i never used one for install. only to remove.
+1
Never had a leaking issue with a hand tightened filter...
Quote from: dolphaxel on February 03, 2013, 12:09:06 PM
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=648943&group_ID=675601&store=&dir=catalog (http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=648943&group_ID=675601&store=&dir=catalog)
lordy lord, snap on made in china.
the big multigrips don't fail, and it matters not what the old filter looks like.
i can tighten them past 11nm by hand, but it's a two handed effort.
I use k & n oil filters for my bikes...
When I was using the Ducati filter I had hard time removing it
Cos I couldn't put any socket or strap tool around it bcoz the exhaust pipe was
On the way ... Also I couldn't tighten it all the way by hand so it was leaking ..
The kn filters come with a 17mm nut welded on the bottom .. and that made my life easy... And It's 5-6 $ cheaper :))
Howie wrote:
"Some of us (me) also sometimes call them water pump pliers. "
You are dating yourself Howie. ;)
well changed the oil tonight. Only filter tool that I have to for this stupid thing was a screwdriver and a hammer. Came off really easy though. Now it has a K&N and the problem is solved. Next time I'm waiting more that 5 min to drain the oil after a ride though. Damn that oil was hot. the temp was at 195 right before I killed it. [thumbsup]
Quote from: dolphaxel on February 09, 2013, 06:48:13 PM
well changed the oil tonight. Only filter tool that I have to for this stupid thing was a screwdriver and a hammer. Came off really easy though. Now it has a K&N and the problem is solved. Next time I'm waiting more that 5 min to drain the oil after a ride though. Damn that oil was hot. the temp was at 195 right before I killed it. [thumbsup]
Told ya it'd work [thumbsup]
Slightly OT, but is anyone using the Amsoil filters at all?
Quote from: JoeB on February 11, 2013, 01:40:43 AM
Slightly OT, but is anyone using the Amsoil filters at all?
I am. It's a good filter
hy new on this forum and really want to know what kind of oil filter my bike use is a monster 900sie 2002 and the best oil and the viscosity .. any web page to look or order thanks [popcorn]
Quote from: monsteronfire on April 21, 2013, 08:59:40 AM
hy new on this forum and really want to know what kind of oil filter my bike use is a monster 900sie 2002 and the best oil and the viscosity .. any web page to look or order thanks [popcorn]
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1912.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1912.0)
Quote from: S21FOLGORE on February 03, 2013, 09:01:22 AM
http://www.channellock.com/209-Oil-Filter-PVC-Plier.aspx (http://www.channellock.com/209-Oil-Filter-PVC-Plier.aspx)
This will work in OP's case.
+1 on K&N filter.
I liked this video "factory tour" I found on the Channellock website:
http://www.channellock.com/experience.aspx (http://www.channellock.com/experience.aspx)