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Anyone running this rear damper on a new gen Monster?

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I noticed it from this old thread --> http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=28129.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=28129.0)

This is the only external reservoir damper I've seen on a new gen Monster.  Worth the coin? 

That's a sweet looking unit. It also looks like it could be rotated so the adjuster faces outward.

I asked about that shock but was told it was not available for the new gens yet.  Ohlins did say that they will offer a remote reservoir for the 737 model I got.  Sure don't think I need it though the 650.00 shock works epic well.....

I wish.

Coz the M1100s stock Ohlins DU-37 [edit] DU-737 [end edit] isnt fabulous.

Dont think that particular shock will ever see the light of day for New Gen.  AFAIK it was a Rever Corsa special build... and RC went tits up long ago.  I contacted Ohlins about it at the time and got nothin.....

Is the aftermarket shock available from Ohlins (DU-737) the exact same shock that came stock on the 1100s?  DU-737 = DU-37?

if you research the ohlins shocks with length stroke, etc. I 'm pretty certain the sbk ohlins are the correct size.
finding the right with with the reservior is the issue.
you may have to have it revalved and maybe use the proper monster spring rate,
but likely could be worked.
and likely what happened with this RC one.
no way Ohlins built it from the ground up just for them. likely took measurements/rates/valving and matched it up with a product they have on another bike, maybe not even a Ducati.

Looks rides and feels totally different.  Right down the tight way the spring is coiled it is no where close.

Yup.  My bad missed out a 7.  Stock M1100s is Ohlins DU-737 and its fitted with a truck spring.

DU-737 is different than the stock M696/M1100 Sachs, yup.

Dunno what the stock rear is on M796 or EVO.......

OK, so from what I gather the new gen bikes only have 1 option from Ohlins...the DU-737 (either pulled from an 1100S or direct from Ohlins).  Thanks for that info  [beer]

Now, will SBK or older Monster dampers work on new gens?  Hell, even dampers made for other makes? I see a ton a good deals on eBay for these applications.  I understand that they may need to be revalved and resprung, I'm more concerned if they will even fit in the first place.   Anyone know?

Hey Storm, kick out the 638.00 and just buy the right one from the start.  By the time you ship, re-spring, re-valve put the right ends on the shaft you won't save enough cash to make not getting the right shock the first time.  I got mine from Moto Wheels and with their VIP discount the price was reasonable.

The difference is astounding. [beer]

Buuuuut I wanna fancy external reservoir! (said in whiny childs voice)    [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]

So did I.  The good news is that the shock will be upgradeable to a remote.  You will be able to send it back to Ohlins when it comes out, if you decide you need it that badly.  I had quite a few suspension folks tell me the 737 was more than adequate for spirited canyon riding.  Ohlins is a bit behind the new gens.  It may be months or it may be two years who knows.  In the meantime you are denying yourself some serious pleasure! 

OR, go with Penske and have them build a shock for you

Yes, I know there are custom options available if you have the bucks.  Racetech can also make a custom tailored shock...

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Sky,

Can't see a way they are going to rebuild this shock as a 3-way. And if they could..., it would be $1,800. Used to have one on my K-RS and it was the "bee's knees" I agree..., but is a 10% at most improvement. Worth $1,200 to you? And if it really IS that sensational, then you'd want to drop $4,000 on a matching fork (which I doubt they'll ever do). Just be happy. 8)

Did you get your fork set back to stock? If so, how's that now?

Did 50 brisk miles today on my rig. For a bike in this price range I can't see doing more. However I DO see you have a hole in your pocket. ;)

BTW, DU-737 WAS built for the new Monsters, not a re-tread. The rebound adjuster DOES affect the compression proportionally. The gent in NC who built mine two years ago filled me in. The DU-737 was newish then.

There is a nipple on the top of the bottom of the shock,  Ohlins said three way is in the future.  If they don't make a different shock or an upgrade I am still silly happy with the 737.  It rides so much better.  The front end still sucks.  I have an appointment with Dave Moss on the 20th hopefully he will be able to set it up right or change the front springs.

600.00 made a giant difference though.  I don't go to the track and try to shave a second,  I just shred my local mountains so the rear is as good as it can be as far as I am concerned ( ;

Not my intention to rain on anybody's parade here.... but just to give an alternative view....

IMO Ohlins DU-737 is not a fabulous thing.

Adequate, but not fabulous.

What are YOU running these days? (Merely curious; I'm retired. 8))

After all, I DID say that it's no 3-way Ohlins... ;) However..., neither end of my bike steps out of line, both ends are balanced, never a wiggle over a bad transition while leaned over, no severe shocks from square-edged bumps, etc. I agree..., Ohlins-plush it ain't. But for $10K, I have a pretty good bike which does what I was after.

Now..., had I paid $20K..., I'd be ticked. 8)

me? Du737  8)

;D

Would suggest that Ohlins have no huge impetus to build a 3-way then. ;)

My guess, to make a plush Ohlins, you really need all the speed-sensitive internals my best Ohlins had. Maybe the remote reservoir is required for that? I suppose that might be possible with a different top collar. Hmmm...

I spy a new (well 5 miles on it they say) du737 on fleabay for $450. Hmm... got me thinking...

FWIW, that's the same spring on mine. I'm 175# plus gear but it works for my son too and he's a lot bigger/heavier. You need to get the preload tool with that box in the picture. Back off the damping one click.

I asked them what else is included in the box... No response yet. I'm 170lbs (and my 796 has lost nearly 30lbs) so you think that spring is the proper one? I noticed another du737 from an 1100s and it had the 1092-49/130 spring.  Is that the standard spring the 1100s came with when new?

They're a motorcycle dealer, so don't expect them to answer until Tuesday. That other spring must be for King Kong.[roll] Stick with the 41/115. It works fine with the stock Marzocchi fork on your bike. You just need to set the sag correctly. Hopefully the damping is in the stock setting and you just need to back off one click. If this is your first rodeo, you might need some help. Mine was set up from new by my dealer who is a highly-regarded Ohlins tech. The preload alone should handle the slight difference between your bike/weight and mine.

If you need some help with this, call Ohlins in NC. They're friendly. Where are you? They can also recommend the nearest good Ohlins tech if necessary. The dealer selling that take-off may also have an Ohlins tech on staff.

Kyle racing sells the du737 for  about $150 more with custom spring and valving.
http://www.kyleusa.com/Home_Page.html (http://www.kyleusa.com/Home_Page.html)
I ordered one for my 696, Im going to intall it  on my 1100 when I have my forks resprung.

That was the nice thing about ordering from Ohlins,  Gave them the body weight with gear and they set it up with the right spring and valving right at the factory.  Took about three weeks to get it but IMO well worth the money.

Mine took a week to build at Ohlins in NC and UPS to VA. The one in the auction for $450 has the right spring for him though. Two years ago mine was ~ $600.

Just got back from infineon and letting Dave Moss tweak my bike.  Very nice riding machine I picked up ten mph in the canyons on the way home without feeling stressed!

What? No details? 8)

As the girls say, "Tell us everything"! ;D

You asked!  When I purchased the bike the suspension was "setup" for me at a small additional cost of $100.00.  The tech never did a thing with the rear preload and had the sag set at 10mm....  He then had the front spring preload set at maximum.  He told me Ducati had mushy springs in the front end and they could fix it for another $500.00 and one to three weeks in the shop.  Needless to say I hated the suspension it seemed "wrong".  Far be it from me to argue with a tech so I assumed it just came with crap suspension.  Hence buying the Ohlins for the rear and making an appointment with Nor-Cals top suspension guy Dave Moss.

I screwed up the dates and went to Dave's shop a day early.  Turned out he was at Infineon raceway in Sonoma so my buddy and I rode another half hour to the track.  It took him ten minutes to change my bike into a seriously nice handling machine.  Backed off the front and rear preload, explained the other adjustments and their effect and boom 40.00 late I am a happy camper.

Now on to what made me unhappy.  I just found out track days are on weekdays most of the time!  I could have done a half day on the track right then and there except my buddy had a deadline to be home and I could not screw him over so I had to leave the track while others were playing.  That was sad! 

The upside is knowing track days are weekdays!  I can play on weekdays, seldom on weekends.  It was very hard riding away while hearing bikes screaming away on the track ) : 

^ cool.  Are you satisfied with the setup now or will you look into SBK forks?

8)

Diminishing returns. Are you J Paul Getty, IV?  ;D

I am fairly happy with the setup now.  Can't imagine it being much better as I have never ridden anything better lol.  My average speed was up 10mph in the same turns I was running the day before.   [thumbsup]

Thanks for the report BTW. It's amazing what many think they know about suspension. >:( It probably helps to have tuned quite a few off-road suspensions as that teaches you a bunch in a real hurry. Same principles apply though. Both ends need to work in concert.

These New Monster Marzocchis aren't bad IMO. I'd guess they'd be even better with a change to a high-tech oil of the same weight. Unfortunately, mine has no drains, so quick swaps of oil and level-testing is a no-go. If it weren't such a hassle, I'd try replacing that 7.5W Shell Advance with some 10W (which is really more like 8W) Spectro. Had great luck with several of my BMW's with that stuff as it seems to just "slide" more easily.

If yours ain't broke now, don't fix it.;D I'm sure it could be 10% better for another $5,000..., and you'd want that tuner you just used to do it. ;)

I hate to go off-topic, but can anyone explain why the shock is allowed to be mounted in an upside down orientation?
Are all Ohlins like this?

^^  No idea it works great though.  I can adjust the rebound/compression damping while riding which is actually pretty handy.  Yesterday I went out and found a ton of clean roads to play on.  It amazed me how much more stable the bike is than with the stock shock.