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In the June issue of MCN, pics of a Ducati Monster 1198 have been taken.  A liquid -cooled new gen Monster.....

(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/298339/Spread-2-blurred.jpg)

From the article using Google Translate:

As you can see from the picture, it is a model with a liquid-cooled engine, which returns after being used for the last time with the model S4Rs 2007. This is the Testastretta 11 ° Diavel and Multistrada 1200's, but from the king of Borgo Panigale there's also other technical and aesthetic solutions, such as the discharge from the long ducts, type Diavel, the sided swingarm, Trellis frame ... more info we do not are, but on the July Motorcycling deepen this supermonster anyway (who knows how it will be called ...) from the point of view of technical, commercial and aesthetic. For example, it seems entirely plausible that there will be a lot of electronics, maybe even in the suspension, while we believe that the look will be quite different from that of the prototype, very camouflaged. Noted, however, that this bike seems a bit '... more abundant in size compared to the current Monster?

I found this one:

(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/298342/images/DSC_0306.JPG)

I would rock one. Talk about a wheelie machine!

So are they getting rid of the Streetfighters now?  The bike in the pic sure looks like the Streetfighter at my local dealer...

Now we're talking.  [evil]

It's possible. But that is for sure a monster. Front end and tail are identical. They even kept the headlight. I can't see the frame so no dice there.

There's a discussion speculating on Ducatis line in the next few years. I'd expect the street fighters to go away. They are one of, or are the lowest sellers by model. Monster, is it's been since it hit the market sells the most units. The multi 1200, despite the price tag is next up - selling lots of those.

Better picture

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Size of the radiator says 821 to me... but then there's that oil cooler. So it might be a bigger engine using a smaller rad, with the oil cooler to supplement.

Certainly more plausible. An 1198 in a small bike like a monster would just be insanity.

Well they stuck the Testa engine in the S4Rs... And they do have that 11degree 1200 engine right now that's seeing use in the Multi and Diavel. Add in some of the electronics suite and it might be a go'er. Though... that set up might lead to dislocated arms. I got quite a surprise, enough to "OH SHIT!" in my helmet, when I whacked the throttle of the Diavel in sport mode and it TOOK the F off!

The camo is pretty funny/useless on a naked bike.....its only really hiding the frame and the shape of the tank

I like it. I like the wheels (probably won't be on the production version). This is going to be interesting....

In order to make it even relatively streetable, needs wheelie control, a longer swingarm, 6inch rear wheel and a 190 tire. And even then it would be a tire eating beast.

Looking forward to seeing it come together and be debuted.  Curious about the position of the oil cooler and the wheels.  Like the wheel choice they have on now but the final production will tell the final story. 

I wonder if they'll use the plastic tank?  [roll]

The liquid cooled 821 is the next logical next step for the Monster, that's where my money would be for the next gen bike.  My guess is they reduce the line up to just 2 models like the hyper...a base Monster (replacing 696/796) and a Monster SP (replacing 1100evo).  Those wheels are pulled right off the base Panigale...sweet!

I see a clutch slave in the second pic, and the current 821 is a mechanical clutch, not hydraulic, so I don't think that's a current 821 cc in those spy pics.

(http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/062513-2014-ducati-monster-1198-spy-photo-3-584x389.jpg)

THE SUBFRAME!!!! :D

Going back to the trellis, or something other than a Monster?

More pics @ Motociclismo web site:

http://www.motociclismo.it/gallery/moto-scooter/ducati-monster-2014-raffreddata-a-liquido-nuove-foto (http://www.motociclismo.it/gallery/moto-scooter/ducati-monster-2014-raffreddata-a-liquido-nuove-foto)

an even smaller "trellis" around the front of the engine.
its like its slowly disappearing
its going to be a frameless monster

also I love how Ducati always "leaks" their pictures.
So is this going to be a 2015?

thank you ducati.. for destroying the resale value on my 1100. I better sell it before this thing becomes official release for 2014.
1. love the subrame trellis
2. hate the shotgun style muffler.. never liked them, under seat in my humble opinion just looks bad ass.. and keeps the open air look of single sided swing arm.
3. if its really a 1098, i will steal to buy one.

Damn it. I gotta buy another one?? :o

Love the return the a trellis sub frame, WTF happened to the front trellis?  I do not think it will hurt the resale of the 2013 Evo's one bit.  If they are going all water cooled I think an air cooled Evo will be a bit of a collectors item.

I saw some other pics online and I don't like the low oil slung cooler, gonna be a bear to keep from trashing it.  I have already heard of SF models that guys have hit the cooler........     

That motor has some new parts on it.

None of the current 4V motors have attachment points for the frame up on the heads.
Other than the Panigale, but that's not a Panigale motor.

Maybe it's a mule chassis for a smaller Pani motor.

i wouldnt worry about that radiator. Its so rough, you can tell its just a temporary mock up just for testing purposes. That things hanging way low.  Once they have this thing finalized, itll definelty be "tucked" in and design nice and italian like.

Using flipboard I just saw this.

Headline came from motorcyclenews.com

"Diavel engine, new chassis, 150 bhp.
The monster is scary again"

I hope this isn't already posted, but I didn't see it anywhere...  My buddy sent me this today and I couldn't believe my eyes!!!

http://www.motociclismo.it/gallery/moto-scooter/ducati-monster-2014-raffreddata-a-liquido-nuove-foto/0%20COPERTINA%20%20LUGLIO%202013%20def?i= (http://www.motociclismo.it/gallery/moto-scooter/ducati-monster-2014-raffreddata-a-liquido-nuove-foto/0%20COPERTINA%20%20LUGLIO%202013%20def?i=)

As a Monster owner and fan, I'm not sure whether to be intrigued or pissed about this. I just had a debate with a guy about this topic about a week ago. I sided that the Monster line is defined by the ultra torquey, air cooled, 2 valve engines. But Ducati doesn't seem to stand by any of its famed technology anymore... belt driven cams, dry clutches, air cooled motors. I mean the new Hyper at 821cc puts out more power than the old air cooled Hyper 1100 could have ever imagined. Sign of the times I guess...  :-\

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/BRbaseball52/DSC_0311JPG_650_490_zpsa0d1a8f9.jpg)

Double derby. ;)

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=64009.0;topicseen (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=64009.0;topicseen)

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=64020.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=64020.0)

Why would you want to add all that weight to the bike? YOUR bike was designed from a blank sheet of paper and uses manufacturing technology which didn't exist 10 - 15 years ago. All previous bikes were "parts bin" and compromises because that's what they could afford. Your bike handles better.

BTW, the front is covered by the road test "wrap". The same technique is used by all the car manufacturers in Europe too. It's designed to break up the shapes and throw off the paparazzi.  8)

Fixed it for ya.  ;D

The first few years of Monster were "parts bin". Not every year.

Why the trellis? Same answer for: Why the round headlight?

I always liked the look of the full trellis frame.  simple cosmetics.  ( :  For pure weight I love the carbon sub frame they make for my 2013..   2k is hard to spend though  [roll]

Suppose you're right about all the guessing in the peanut gallery. Was in a position in the car biz for 40 years to see the pilot build 1 - 2 years prior to production and drive mules on the private tracks. Usually the reality is a letdown.  ;) BUT..., the fanboys are not the people who buy the product thankfully. The wrap only becomes necessary when you need to drive the beasts 2,000,000 miles to see what breaks and change vendors as needed.

Car Biz ain't the same.  ;)

True. Mostly in European high-line only August is a slow month. Outside of CA and FL, bike dealers need to sell quads and snowmobiles to stay viable.  8)

 :D

Double Fail....  [cheeky]

maybe it's the new sf vs the new monster

Call me dumb, or whatever, I don't really care.  After having owned a M900, a 999 and an 848. After having ridden all sorts of Monsters, Hypermotards and 1098/1198's I honestly dont' know why the 1098 SF never gained great ground.  If I had to do it all over again that would be the One!  The one I've got time on was the best of all worlds if you ask me.  Maybe too much for some folks is all I can say against it. But Hot Damn! What a machine! More power than the S4Rs and better handling too.  Maybe this new one with the "softer" engine is the one that will strike a chord with more folks.   [roll]  [thumbsup]

Hey, it's alright. This is great news and deserves to be spread across the world! [beer]

Bigger version here (http://www.motociclismo.it/ducati-foto-spia-esclusiva-ecco-la-nuova-super-monster-moto-55512?fb_action_ids=10201022446837203&fb_action_types=og.likes) of the Motociclismo pic on p1 of this thread.

More clues there to what sort of frame lies under that wrap.

It's an interesting concept. I too don't see what people disliked about the Streetfighter, but then I've never ridden one and over here they were rather expensive - roughly 30 per cent more for the "s" model than for an S4Rs.

I will speculate it has been developed as an alternative/rival to the KTM 1290 Super Duke: http://youtu.be/6h1e9oulMd8 (http://youtu.be/6h1e9oulMd8)

Muffled and leaned down for emissions regs, likely a Monster 1200 won't make much more power stock than a piped, chipped and dynoed S4R*. It will do quite a bit more in the midrange tho.

Looks like they think the reason the Streetfighter wasn't snapped up was the styling. Falling back on an old formula. Suggests flagging confidence ...

oooo oooo pick me!  I will totally scrap the idea of a new car for this beast!  I can live with driving an old chevy when the weather isnt at its best.  Always wanted an S4R But would rather something new.... this might just be it.   [thumbsup]

My thoughts exactly. Imagine my surprise recently when I went to the nearest Ducati emporium to seriously check one out, only to learn it no longer existed in the lineup.

Nah - i still think the SF is on the sunset route and they will be gone soon.

and more pics...

(http://www.ducati1.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=17180&d=1372186918)
(http://www.ducati1.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=17181&d=1372186919)
(http://www.ducati1.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=17187&d=1372186935)
(http://www.ducati1.de/attachment.php?attachmentid=17188&d=1372186940)

I am also looking forward to this bike.  But I'll keep my 1100evo as it's sure to be an air cooled classic.

No need to be upset.  Our 1100s now become air cooled classics.  In fact the 1100s may be the last big bore air cooled monsters made.

 I know that I plan keeping mine!

Monster 3.0?

Whatever it is, it's not the 821 b/c of the clutch slave.  I'm guessing that it is a prototype M1198 and will see a debut this fall.

hmmm. I think you guys maybe on to something.  Certainly would seem to be the last of the big bore air cooled vtwins. 
Does anyone know how many production year monsters had underseat exhausts?
ie: 2009/2010 for sure.. but are there other years?

also, on the topic of a few of the posts here asking why would they decide to drop the sf1098 and replace it with this.  Im wondering if it has anything to do with the handling of the 1098 sf.  Ive seen a few threads in various places that say the handling on that thing is sketchy. mostly speculation regarding geometry or chassis not a good fit with that much horsepower. Who knows.  I will say this. I personally know someone who worked at a ducati shop who trashed a 1098 sf.. and told me the same thing.

Im not hating on the sf, actually i like it alot.. and have been on the fence about it for the last 2 years. I just like the clean look of the monster more. But I must admit, i like the refined/precision elegance the sf seems to have over the monster (if you ride them back to back).

I need to make some more space in my garage, I guess  ;D

If it is an M1198, it would be the first 'new' Gen Monster that I would at least want to test ride...

But I'd still 86 that dental supply headlight within 24 hours of ownership...  [puke]

I was hoping for something more like this from Ducati.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=la4vutp7cvivjua2gr516ilg14&topic=43386.15 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=la4vutp7cvivjua2gr516ilg14&topic=43386.15)

Yeah right...but yes that is and always will be the SICKEST custom new gen ever built.

 Looks good so far even though its a test mule.   [popcorn]


Things i noticed are the six bolt sprocket carrier, the return of the chicken wing rear sets and passengers pegs, and a upgraded headlight design.

Too me this is an updated liquid cooled monster. With the six bolt carrier, I would assume a more powerful engine than the hyper as it has the 5 bolt carrier. Wondering where the streetfighter  will fall into place.

good luck with that oil cooler on speed bumps, can they mount it any lower?

I concur Sir.  That's a bad ass Monster IMO.

I was just reading about this on Asphalt & Rubber, and came across a shot of the headlight. That looks new. Also, note the Streetfighter-style digital tachometer.
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/ducati-monster-s4-spy-shot/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/ducati-monster-s4-spy-shot/)

(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/2014-ducati-monster-1198-water-cooled-spy-photo-04.jpg)

(http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/2014-ducati-monster-1198-water-cooled-spy-photo-05.jpg)

Maybe a few SF owners should chime in here.  I've only had less than 20 miles on one but had a chance to run through some fast turns.  I will say it was way better than any of the older Monsters and better than my old 999.  Two of the guys I ride with have 1098SFs and I never hear them complain about handling.  Like any of those big Testastettas you have to be careful about when and how you add gas or you'll get your ass handed to you.  Kind of like old big bore two stroke dirt bikes except you're on the road.   [Dolph]

Yeah, they need to call Mr. Duck-Stew to help place the oil cooler as ingeniously as he did on that 695->1000 conversion.

I would prefer a TFT style dash like the diavel or 1199.

Thanks...   [thumbsup]

This

I might be the only guy here that likes my stock Evo headlight..........     

Ducati makes bikes. The new ones were designed in their wind tunnel. It and the bikini fairing do a decent job of cutting the wind blast. Makes my other naked bike like riding in a hurricane at 70 MPH. They don't get it..., or are deaf already. Pay no attention.  8)

Couldn't some of difference be from the better riding position.  Riding at highway speeds will always be easier with the lean-forward type riding position of the Monster versus the fully upright position of the Bonneville.

I love my sfs... I was going to get one before I got my 796 but was turned off by all the reviews of the "slow handling" "vague front end" and "ridiculous engine".  Then I finally rode mine... and it was love at first ride.

I never saw why those reviews said what they said... I just think the sf1098 got a bad rap from the press.  meanwhile the sf848 seems to be selling like hotcakes becuase of the great press it's gotten.

Q1 the SF was the second worst selling model ahead of the Hyper but they contribute that to the new Hypers not being shipped until April.

Hello Trav!

With the mods on both bikes, the riding position for me is almost identical. At most the bar on the T-100 is an inch higher but the seat I'm using is also 1 1/2" higher than stock. Best I can tell, the dirty air comes off the headlight and gauges and maybe the mirrors. This difference is HUGE though. I'm 5' 8", but my son who's 6' 3 1/2" was impressed with how quiet the 796 is, and at the time he was still riding an ST4s. The aerodynamics are real. Borrow one the next time you drop into Duc Pond and try it at speed.

You still have the 900SD? How many Guzzis now?  8)

Curmudge,

I have ridden two of the latest the generation M1100's.  I did get up to 120mph indicated on one ride. It was pretty smooth. I didn't really notice anything. So that is a good indication. I didn't really notice much on my recently sold '05 M1000 either. My 2001 Harley Dyna Wide Glide was very difficult to ride at 75mph and up. It had a very upright riding position with the feet set forward. Also the bars were around shoulder height.

I was interested in buying a '06 ST3 a while back and was very disappointed. Unfortunately it did have a lot of buffeting around the helmet area. The wind was very noisy too.  If I stood up on the pegs there was nice clean air. For reference I'm 5'10". I think I would have needed a taller shield or Laminar lip.

I really love all of my bikes, but the Darmah recently reclaimed its rightfully place as my favorite. I didn't ride her over the winter. So after receving fresh oil and a general check over, we headed out on some of my favorite local backroads. I wish I was more elequent and could express how awesome it is to ride. It pulls so well. It sounds wonderful with those Conti mufflers. It handles superbly especially in higher speed sweepers. I love running it up through the gears. I can give it full throttle thru all the gears and it feels very satisfying, but I probably haven't exceeded 80 mph. I don't even feel guilty. (Try doing the same roads on my recently sold hopped-up Monster and there was always a risk of going to jail).

I wish all motorcyclists could have the opportunity to experience this.  It may not be a modern sport bike, but it does do well on the local roads that we ride. It is very capable for a vintage bike. The brakes work extremely well, but you have to use a strong hand. Unlike modern bikes where you use 2 fingers.

(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm21/JonTravisKing/null_zps966856ec.jpg)

...eloquent enough to evoke fond memories of my long gone black/gold SD900... damn  :-\  [thumbsup]

The more I look at this test mule, the more I realize Ducati is just king of the parts bin specials.

I guess you are not familiar with the design/fit/finish on the Diavel, Panigale, newer Monsters, or Multi. Nothing parts bin about Ducati's bikes. Many manufacturers use the same motor in different models. When these motors are leaps and bounds ahead technology wise it makes even more sense. Lastly, I love that they keep stuffing the most bad ass motors into the model of bike I love the most. Then I don't have to figure out how to do it.

Trav,

Thanks for the snap! Down here there's a red SD with Contis on the loose.

Not as upright as a Harley, but a T-100 is a relatively standard European riding position with the footpegs perhaps 1/2" - 1" farther forward than is necessary. This water pipe frame has to serve four models and is a compromise.

On mine the forks are lowered 15mm and are valved and my shocks are 1/2 taller, the seat is 1 1/2"+ taller than stock. An 18' wheel would be better, but I've at least got it steering now on Sport Demons.  ;) At least currently the knee pads make sense!

Know what you mean about your SD as I had an SS with the same frame for 6 months. With clip-ons in tight stuff it was knee out if you wanted to turn and that wasn't my style, so I swapped it for a 600 SL which WAS nimble. The SS was really designed with the Autostrada in mind; stable as a rock and good in sweepers with a 30 degree head angle. On your SD with a conventional flat Euro bar of ~ 28", you can do sweepers with less effort than my T-100.

Agreed, not much wrong with your cast iron Brembos. Had the same brakes on my SL. Effort was a bit less only because the bike weighed a lot less. I do miss the reverse cone megaphone sound of our old bikes vs the new ones. My old SL wasn't that load but sounded like a V6 Ferrari F1 in 3rd at speed.  8)

^^^ getting waaaay off track here.  So back to wild speculation about something we know almost nothing about...

I asked my buddy that works for DNA about these latest spy pics.  He is always very tight lipped about these things so I didn't expect to get much out of him.    I said the engine must be the 821 from the hyper right!?  His only response was..."think bigger"

hmmm...

Did you feel the same way about the S4RS?

Or when Ducati dispo's the full trellis frame from the Monster?

 Both tanks look shaped a little different at the filler to the key area from each other. the exposed upper corner of the left tank looks sharper than my monsters plastic piece, may be a one-piece metal tank?

 [evil] [evil] [evil] [evil] [evil]

Wow. This is a nice development. I like the headlight. The 1098/1198 engine felt great whenever I've ridden different versions (1098 SBK, 1098 SF, 1200 Multi, Diavel).  Can't wait to see what it looks like and hope the chassis handles the power well. I could be back with a Monster someday.

Looks like it has the Street Fighter dash, which is  a good thing as I find the SF dash to be much more readable than the Monster dash.

As I said earlier, I'd prefer a Diavel or Panigale type dash. The TFT's are amazing.

I want to see the trellis design.
How many miles do they put on these bikes?

Hmmm...  Can I have classic Monster styling with the Diavel motor?   [evil]

JM

Sure. I can write up an estimate if you want. 8)

Wallet thickness will be important.

I wish they'd make the exhaust pipes routing cleaner. not really in love with my 1100 EVO routing, which cover most of the right side of the engine  :-\

I agree with you HotIce

 ;D

  Found this rendering, the tank profile was what I noticed in the spy pics.

(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn165/dsamRus/image_zpsef7ab4d8.jpg) (http://s304.photobucket.com/user/dsamRus/media/image_zpsef7ab4d8.jpg.html)

^ I can dig it

saw this too
there is no way the trellis will look like that with the one piece pointing down?

It is only, okay.  I simply don't understand Ducati's commitment to the worlds ugliest exhaust pipes....

That's an artists rendering. and so they can sell you a $3,000 replacement.

True that!  I swear Termignoni is a subsidiary of Ducati.

what is the purpose of having a sssa if there is going to be a huge ugly exhaust can in the way?

In the rendering it looks like the radiator support.

The exhaust will be 3k + taxes + install.  Get it right dammit.

Buy enough bikes and they give you a deal.  ;)

I seriously doubt they can offer me enough of a discount to pass on my Multi, whenever that may be.  [laugh]
This might very well be the only Monster that I would consider selling my S4R for if the aesthetics are right BUT I can't resist the Multi, not yet anyway.

A small birdy has informed me...

 :o :o :o 1198cc 150hp 2014 monster is a go. Unveiling at EICMA :o :o :o

sounds like a MultiStroodle motor...

Maybe something like this...with out the little fly screen.

(http://gambar.otomotifnet.com/Kanal%20MOTOR/ATPM/2013/07-Juli/0801-Ducati-Monster-1198-1.jpg)

too much trellis comparitively to how they are building bikes nowadays....

I feel as though that bike would encroach too much on the diavel...

too much diavel, not enough monster. In general tho.. its a fantastic idea.

there, fixed it . . .

I can't wait to see the finished bike. Going to seriously be thinking about trading the 1100 evo.

If that is what the finished bike looks like it looks a return to chicken wing passenger pegs.  Sure like the thought of 150hp but I really like my air cooled motor.....

SOOO CONFLICTED!!!

IF that is the close to final design, it's the 1199 motor, not the MTS/Diavel motor

The old motors can't support the frame like that one is being held, that's the Pani frame style

Take this for what you will, but the same birdy told me the new monster will use the tried and true testastretta 11 from the Diavel, not a derivative of the 1199.  That motor will be reserved for the baby Panigale "899", which should be introduced at the same time as the new Monster.  Also, some tweaks coming for the 1199 improving reliability and maintenance intervals.  Apparently there has been an inordinate amount of warranty claims on the 1199 so maybe not a bad thing the new Monster uses the Diavel lump ~

Wasn't the monster motor info on page 2 of this thread?

I've been waiting for this for a while.  I like the concept of the SF, but want the looks of the Monster.  Fingers crossed it looks like a Monster and not a Diavel.  I'm subscribing to this thread now.

Anyone got any leaked info???

Where's Edward Snowden when you need him?

Found him -

(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f149/Skybarney/Hotellow04_zps632c8f20.jpg) (http://s46.photobucket.com/user/Skybarney/media/Hotellow04_zps632c8f20.jpg.html)

I like the little fly screen headlight fairing thingy.

that's the second art work i've seen using the GP style frame.
I can't really see them reengineering the Pantah based motors to be able to support that frame.
NOW, if the 1198 Monster is really an 1199 Monster... THAT may be a huge surprise