Hey DMFrs
Been reading about tires a bit but can't seem to find the answers I need. I am curresntly running PP 2CTs and love them, feel perfectly stable in corners and seem to have lots of grip. I have almost 6k miles on them and it looks like I am going to have to replace the rear soon (Getting close to the wear bars in the center). I am in Yuma, AZ and have to ride 100+ miles to get into any corners. Anyone know of another dual compound tire that might give more longevity in the center portion without sacrificing grip?
Thanks for any advice.
KP
I've gotten ~12k miles out of each of 2 Pirelli Angel ST rears, one on an S4 and one on an M750.
They work fine for me in the twisty stuff as well.
They have been superseded by the Angel GT, AFAIK pretty much the same tire but dual compound.
I would say the Pilot Road 2 or Pilot Road 3 would be a good choice.
There is a big tire thread here.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=2444.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=2444.0)
The most helpful though I find is the Michelin comparison charts.
http://199.73.57.203/dealer/charts.cfm (http://199.73.57.203/dealer/charts.cfm)
Thanks for the links, very useful..I am a little confused though. Looking at the Pilot Road 3s. Anyone know if they grip as well as the 2cts? Once I get done with the 100+ miles of slab I end up at palomar mt or twisties going up 79. So things get pretty spirited, I'm not fast, but we do get enough lean that I have run the rear all the way to the edge. Little worried that if I go with the roads I might find myseld doing some pavement surfing.
How about the PP3?
I'm on my second set of PP3's. First set gave me nearly 6k.
I'm running a bit more pressure in this set and they're doing even better.
Most modern tires are better than most modern riders. The Holy Grail of longevity plus stick is already here. Any sport touring tire by any manufacturer will give you in excess of 10,000 miles on the rear and stick better than most of us can push them. All that said, can't bring myself to do it. I'm running Pirelli Diablo Corsa Rossos and they'll probably be binned at 5.000 miles. Before that Pilot Power Race. Before that Pilot Pures. Before that Pilot Power 2CT, before that Pirelli Diablos, before that Bridgestone BT014, before that Pilot Powers. Not because I'm better than sport touring tires, but because confident riding is all between your ears. [roll]
Running with pilot 3 now on my triumph and got no complaints. We ride lots of twisty roads in south east OH and I have no issue so far. Soft tyre are just too expensive to replace frequently for me.
Ive been running Pilot Rear3 on the rear and PilotPower on the front with good success. get about 10k from the rears PR3's. But now ive gone back to more sport riding (previous riding, touring and commuting) and i don't like the profile of the PR3. too flat, the PP and 2Ct's feel better in the corners and turn easier. Grip level is good for street riding, get some slides when hard on the gas with some lean angle, but i think its more of a profile issue. these are on my ktm supermoto.
My favorite combo is the PP 2ct front and PR2 rear. the PR2 gives really good grip (for a compromise) and lasts as long as the PP 2CT on the front. With PP's front and rear on mine I go through 2rears to one front.
Just for reference I ride about 10 - 12K miles per year and work from home so those are all fun miles. I go on long trips (2K miles and up) as well as ride with a club weekly for spirited dinner rides. I ride her pretty hard with no "chicken strips" showing. I can definitely feel a difference with the PR2 on the rear but in my opinion it is worth the difference in exchange for the added miles.
I personally have not tried the PP3 as yet, but my buddy rides a MTS 1200 and REALLY likes them. This is his first set of these so dont know about mileage performance.
Scott
I put a set of Angel GTs on about 100 miles ago. Initial impression has been that they are not noticeable, and that is a good thing. :)
Have a twisty ride coming up this week end, so I might have an update.
6000 k (kilometers that is) on Pirelli Angel ST, bit over halfway the thread. Close to speeddog`s experience. Happy with this setup, don`t know by experience the new Angels.
I can vounce for the Pirelli Angel ST as well but on my 749. Ive had them for well over 7000 miles and still having good feed back at knee dragging angles. Id say theres still another 1500 miles on them.
Nice discussion and information all. Lot's to think about. I'm thinking about trying the Pirelli's since I've always had Dunlops or Michelin's..might as well try something else.
One thing to consider, depending on your preference.
The Pirelli fronts are a very round profile, and the Michelins more pointy profile.
So the Pirellis 'turn in' is very linear, while the Michelins fall in a bit.
I prefer the linear feel.
Some folks like a quick 'turn in'.
I really like the way the 2CTs feel when I turn; will the Angels feel heavy or slow? And how does that more rounded profile affect "flickability"?
I'm running the PR2s front and rear and have about 12K miles on them. Based on current wear, I expect the rear to hit at least 20K.
Quote from: Kabulpostie on October 20, 2013, 10:50:41 AMAnyone know if they grip as well as the 2cts? Once I get done with the 100+ miles of slab I end up at palomar mt or twisties going up 79. So things get pretty spirited, I'm not fast, but we do get enough lean that I have run the rear all the way to the edge. Little worried that if I go with the roads I might find myseld doing some pavement surfing.
From 1999 to 2003, Zina and I rode 400+ miles every weekend, including up and over Palomar. When the Pilot Roads came out, she was able to get a set for testing (she was a journalist for Ducati Racing at the time) that we put on her M900ie. The first night, she decided to go out for a moon light ride. I didn't go, probably unfuxoring my own Ducati. She came back, loved them, blah blah, said on the freeway, felt a little funny. Yeah, turns out she picked up a nail and the rear was flat. She'd just gotten done riding I-8 from Sunrise Hwy to I-15 at 80 mph. The tire was barely warm.
We raced at Willow and did lots of track days, so when out on fun roads, we didn't really slow down for the turns. No problems getting to the edge of the tires. No complaints about grip either. We didn't slouch... always rode alone because whenever a dude got in the mix, he'd have to pass Zina to prove his manhood. After the 2nd or 3rd time going back and helping folks pick their bikes up... Eh.
We did a lot of track days too, and she ran the Pilot Roads there too. They aren't really designed to operate in the temperatures track riding can give, but the old style Monster's ground clearance kept her pace in the mid 1:40s, so she didn't push them too hard.
Pilot Power 2CT are designed to operate on the track, where the tire temp can be 50 to 100 degrees hotter than is possible on Palomar or anywhere on the street, so trying to compare grip to a tire designed for a sport bike (120 front / 180 rear) isn't exactly valid. IMHO, any tire that isn't specifically a touring tire is going to have plenty of grip with spirited street riding. If you're going fast enough that you're trying to blame the tires for an accident, time to take it to the track... :-\
So what about me and my bike(s)? Back then, I rode Pongo (97 M900) on the street and had the Aprilia RS250 race bike. Pongo had whatever tires were on sale that week or "good used" tires from other sources. Once I started dragging footpegs, I'd hang off and turn my aggro down a notch. I never really noticed or cared about my tires on the street once I started getting serious on the track.
Winning the club championship in 2002 pretty much killed my inner child spirit to ride, so I haven't hit Palomar in a decade. My currently running Ducati is an S2R800 with Pilot Powers from 2005 on it. I put them on (along with the Arrow pipes) to do a track day a week after I bought the bike. They're great, the rear can spin up on the track and my bike stays in line. I'm pretty sure I've ridden somewhere on the street (oh, S22) and have gotten them to the edges. Now that the centers are worn out, I'll probably replace them with 2CTs just because I'm more likely to go to a track day than
drive ride up the 15 to go to Palomar.
Overall:
I love Michelins - especially after her very safe ride on a flat rear.
Tires designed for any use on the track are for when you ride on the track.
I don't sell tires, just tryin to share some experience.
:) Chris
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Been riding 32 years now. I have found most of the track tires a total waste of money on the road. As such I usually buy a tire that is dual compound and designed for street use. Used to love the Conti Road Attacks! get 6k of running canyons out of those. The Rossi 2's I have now work nicely, but are a little vague when moving quickly.
I just got a new Pirelli Angel GT yesterday after my ST went around ~22k kilometers. I haven't had a chance to test it out properly, but it's supposed to be an improvement, and I had no issues with the old ST. My front ST is about 8k old and seems ok.