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Moto Board => General Monster Forum => Topic started by: koko64 on September 26, 2014, 04:12:07 PM



Title: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: koko64 on September 26, 2014, 04:12:07 PM
Of  the 1100 models what are the relative advantages of each?

I would really like to hear from owners of both DS and Evo models. Really nice, low mileage DS models with all the goodies can be had here for reasonable money.
OTOH, nearly new evo models with warranty left would be nice. I would extend the warranty as Im suspicious of the abs getting sick. Any isdues there? The hotter evo cams and slightly higher compression noticable? Safety pack useful (do the evos come with it standard)?
Of the DS models what are the merits of the S and SP models?

Cheers.



Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: Curmudgeon on September 26, 2014, 04:44:57 PM
You might have to wait a week for all the EVO riders to spot your thread.  ;) They're out riding.  ;D

FWIW, I ride with two. Both like the TC because it keeps the front wheel below the FAA radar. One claims it's saved him more than once. In 2011 there were some early problems with it which I assume were solved because you don't hear about it since.

The ABS is subtle and non-intrusive and must have a proper threshhold because it only kicks in when it's needed. I'd rate it as seemless.

Will be interesting to see what response you get here. In the USA, I believe all EVO's had ABS and TC but that may vary with the local market.


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: koko64 on September 26, 2014, 06:02:50 PM
Thanks C.
Do the evo HMs have wet clutches too?


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: Curmudgeon on September 26, 2014, 07:07:30 PM
Be patient, the page loads very slowly. http://www.ducati.com/bikes/monster/1100__evo/2013/tech_spec.do (http://www.ducati.com/bikes/monster/1100__evo/2013/tech_spec.do)


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: koko64 on September 26, 2014, 07:18:21 PM
It aint gonna load on this phone, but I'll check the specs at home. Thanks C.


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: koko64 on September 28, 2014, 05:07:51 AM
Dry clutch on the Evo donk! A few extra improvements too. Hmm.


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: Curmudgeon on September 28, 2014, 05:57:33 AM
Dry clutch on the Evo donk! A few extra improvements too. Hmm.

 ???

That page I sent you says, "Clutch - Wet multiplate with hydraulic control" on 2013 model year. Get off your phone!  ;D


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: Skybarney on September 28, 2014, 12:42:51 PM
Personally I love the TC and ABS.  It really is not intrusive on the Evo.  Couple weeks back I had the TC switched off for some reason and slid the back out of a couple of tight turns a bit.  It was so out of character for the bike that I pulled over to check the tire......

13k on the odometer of my 2013 M1100.  So far it has been a near to be flawless motorcycle. 

Rumor has it that the DS models are a bit of a maintenance nightmare.


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: koko64 on September 28, 2014, 02:06:07 PM
That page won't download for me C. I looked at some other ride reports on line. Did the early evo come with a dry clutch or did two magazines get it wrong?

What was about the DS that you heard that was such a maintenance nightmare? I have heard of bad valve guides on the 1000 DS, but I thought those issues were solved on the 1100.


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: Curmudgeon on September 28, 2014, 02:32:46 PM
That page won't download for me C. I looked at some other ride reports on line. Did the early evo come with a dry clutch or did two magazines get it wrong?

You can't load the Ducati website?! Try loading your local version maybe? Go to Bikes > Models Archive. Just checked; 2011 says the same about the clutch as 2013. Others can comment. Same as my 796 except no APTC.


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: koko64 on September 28, 2014, 04:13:19 PM
Cheers.
I loaded the local site easily, but the transnational site wouldn't load. ;D
All the Evo 1100 specs said dry clutch. Even the pics showed the old dry clutch cover with the Evo cam belt covers. None of the spec sheets mentioned ABS/TC so I guess it's an extra?


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: Curmudgeon on September 28, 2014, 05:35:39 PM
No idea where YOU are going!  ;D The Aussie site says the same as the one on the link I sent before. http://www.ducati.com.au/bikes/monster/1100__evo/2013/tech_spec.do (http://www.ducati.com.au/bikes/monster/1100__evo/2013/tech_spec.do)


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: koko64 on September 28, 2014, 09:34:30 PM
All air cooled 1100 HMs have a dry clutch according to tne local dealer site. Pics have Evo cambelt covers with dry clutch cover. What gives?


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: koko64 on September 28, 2014, 09:51:53 PM
Personally I love the TC and ABS.  It really is not intrusive on the Evo.  Couple weeks back I had the TC switched off for some reason and slid the back out of a couple of tight turns a bit.  It was so out of character for the bike that I pulled over to check the tire......

13k on the odometer of my 2013 M1100.  So far it has been a near to be flawless motorcycle. 

Rumor has it that the DS models are a bit of a maintenance nightmare.

Can you switch off tne ABS too?


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: koko64 on September 29, 2014, 02:41:23 PM
Hey C. Every HM 1100Evo until the new water cooled models has a dry clutch on the Aussie official dealer site. I checked up to 2013 models. Not bad, Evos with a dry clutch. Must be the only ones. All the models I looked at didn't have the safety pack either on the dealer site. I might as well get a DS if that's the case and save a few thousand bucks.


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: Curmudgeon on September 29, 2014, 03:08:57 PM
OK, you confused ME, and maybe Skybarney to, with the term 1100 EVO.  8) EVO is a 2V Monster. You want to know about Hypers? Probably not too many on a Monster forum know much about them. Why do you want to maintain a 4V or ride a sit-on-top bike?  ??? Sorry..., I thought you were asking about an 1100 EVO. LOTS of THOSE here.  ;D


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: koko64 on September 29, 2014, 10:30:35 PM
Yeah 1100 Evo desmodue. I dont want a water cooled 4 valver.


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: cbcanada on September 30, 2014, 05:31:32 AM
I have a 2008 hyper 1100 but when I turn it on it say "hypermotard evo racing" something like that why?


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: ducpainter on September 30, 2014, 05:37:33 AM
I have a 2008 hyper 1100 but when I turn it on it say "hypermotard evo racing" something like that why?
Have you had the ecu re-flashed?


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: thought on September 30, 2014, 06:22:57 AM
Yeah, sounds like you have the DP ECU... does your bike have termis on it?


Title: Re: Hypermotard 1100. Evo Vs DS. Pros and Cons.
Post by: cbcanada on September 30, 2014, 05:34:34 PM
Yeah, sounds like you have the DP ECU... does your bike have termis on it?

I just got this bike this summer through a work related trade. I still have my s2r (first love). In any case it came with a termi exhaust including the mid pipe and all


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