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Hello all,

Skycustoms used to offer this fairing bracket, but I can't get a reply from them.
http://skycustoms.blogspot.com/ (http://skycustoms.blogspot.com/)
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j344/eric271828/Ducati/Skycustoms%20pole_zps3489drc2.png)
Does anyone know where to get those post ends?  Is there a name for such a fitting?  Or do you think they were custom made?

It would be nice to know a name for such items, and then find them on McMaster-Carr, or some such site.  I know I could make a bracket out of aluminum stock, but these are so much nicer.

Thanks,
Eric

I got the very last set years ago, but the carbon rods broke in a crash.

Still have my old Poor-Duc-Rider fairing stays, but not as nice looking.


The angles and bends are complicated, so finding them in a store isn't very likely  :-\

Google anodized aluminum rod ends.

It wouldn't be exact but a clever, motivated, person could make it work.

They were made and sold by Matrix Motorsports, a company which changed name to Black Dog Cycle Works and business focus to adventure parts AFAIK. They design and manufacture aluminum parts, so maybe...  If we can motivate senior to make another batch....

If they don't have the drawings/CAD files or whatever they need, I can ship my bits to them.

Maybe you can lead this project for the community? Easier you in the US than me in Europe, perhaps...

DMF fairing stays for S2R/S4R Monsters?

We need to talk. ;)

Do we know anyone with equipment and skills to manufacture parts?  ;)

there are NO machinists in this forum . . .

Why yes...yes we do.

Good idea ducpainter - a quick search turned these up, which could be made to work.
http://www.bmikarts.com/Racing-Aluminum-Tie-Rod-Kit-38-24_p_1492.html (http://www.bmikarts.com/Racing-Aluminum-Tie-Rod-Kit-38-24_p_1492.html)

Don't get him sidetracked from the bottle openers.

Aren't they done yet?

If we give him money his perspective will change. [laugh]

A little more searching turned up this good effort by blalor.

Sadly, I'm too new to understand the humor of previous posts [popcorn]

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=73276.msg1349337#msg1349337 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=73276.msg1349337#msg1349337)

Generic rod ends combined with these would get us closer    http://www.desmoworld.com/shop/ducati-monster/s2r-s4r-s4rs/fussrasten/desmoworld-ergal-carbon-schaltstange-evo-ii.html

, but the angles, or lack of, and use of screw and nut would look a little messy compared to the originals...

Just throwing out ideas while we're waiting for the man  [thumbsup]


https://traxxas.com/search?type=All&keyword=rod%20ends&items_per_page=40&page=2

I think you're going in the wrong direction.

It needs to be waaaay better looking.

My EZ pass is stuffed between the windscreen and the gauges.  This seems to stabilize the fairing quite well.

Of course - that link shows us that very clearly  8)

I now have a lead on drawings for these.

If Monsterlover can do them, we're closer  [coffee]

Wow! that's great.  [clap]

If that doesn't work, I've found that searching for a right angle ball joint produces some fittings that could work at the top mount. http://www.amazon.com/Strut-Thread-Socket-Bracket-Mount/dp/B00WI08IHW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A1THAZDOWP300U (http://www.amazon.com/Strut-Thread-Socket-Bracket-Mount/dp/B00WI08IHW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A1THAZDOWP300U)

Our top mount on the fairing has a 5mm (0.80mm pitch) button head x 15mm long. The bottom mount uses a 6mm (1.25 coarse pitch)  x 20mm long.  There’s about a 7” span between the screws.

I think a ball joint with the female end going to the fairing, and the male end screwing into a hollow threaded rod about 6 inches long, to either an eyelet, or another ball joint at the bottom end.

I'll wait to read of any better plans.

Maybe a list of highly motivated buyers is in order.

I'll ask him tomorrow and if he's interested/willing I'll put up a poll thread. (poll answers are cheap and means little, but it's a start)

Someone send me drawings and I'll have a look. The stays in the first pic are killer

Kevin at southmorgan dot com

Coming up  [thumbsup]

Have you sourced cf tube?

Who's going to assemble?

Jig for aligning the ends on the tube?

Carbon rod or tube, but maybe just as well aluminum?

Mine are broken, so not much use as templates. Maybe they could be a three piece design - put together when mounting and glue if desired.

Did some digging.

CF tube is readily available as are red anodized rod ends (though I didn't see any that were *exactly* like what was in that first picture)

Personally, I think threaded aluminum or titanium or stainless would be cool.  At least in the event of a crash you could reuse the rod ends, replace the bent tie rods and be back in business.  Glued CF tube and your just screwed for reusing the ends.

But then again, I love the look of threaded rod with locknuts and rod ends.  Industrial ;D

Most of the threaded rod I found has a ton of thread exposed, which I don't like.  If it were my bike, I'd take some aluminum rod and thread each end RH/LH only a little extra beyond what I'd need to make any adjustments.  That way the majority of the rod is just a round rod vs exposed threads and it would look extra bad ass.

But that's just what *I* like.

I'll machine it however my customers want it.

You guys are bad@ss!
 8)
The nice thing about reverse threads and locknuts at each end is that it then becomes like your shifter -  you can fine-tune the length to make small adjustments in the fairing height.

Metal or carbon fiber rod, but with metal, you can use Loctite instead of glue.

I'm pretty sure Chris...Statler...had those on his S4RS. I think that's his bike in the pic.

I might be able to get a length for the rod from him so Kev could thread some rod. that would make it a DIY kit...which would be awesome.

Let me know if you guys want me to get in touch with him.

Might as well. I'll need the length to figure material costs anyhow.

Eye to eye (screw hole in the rod end) is 190mm.

The rod is 160mm assuming ~half of it sits inside the rod end.

This product should be a couple of mm shorter since the original forces the screen up.


Titanium with engraved DMF/ML Special Parts  8)

Good enough for a material estimate Kev?

Probably, yes.

What are they being made out of?

I was thinking aluminum, but I don't have a fairing on my Monster. It got ripped off by me flying through it years ago and it was the old style anyway.

Are you going to price ano on the ends, or are you thinking using a metal that is less subject to corrosion?

Aluminum is fine, but since that ~has to be anodized, maybe copper, bronze, silver, titanium, composite or even steel...

I think anodized aluminum would be the cheapest and still look good as far as the rod goes.

I can build a kit with whatever rod end you all want. Red alum would look cool but I'm not the one that has to look at them ;)

Stainless would match any color paint but would cost more.

I think clear ano on the rod, and one color for the ends...either black or red.

I think to keep the price as reasonable as possible we should limit the choices. If you end up having small batches of stuff anodized it will drive the price out of sight...no?

Get a price on etching the parts with 'DMF by SMT'. ;)

Yes. My min is $100 for ano. They all need to be the same or the price would be insane.

So ends and rods/locknuts all the same color?

Rods ends come colored already. I can make the tie rods blue, black, gold, green, or clear (which is more like dirty white IMO)

I haven't thought about lock nuts yet.

I haven't seen the drawings, but it sounds like you're gonna source the ends even though they might be slightly different...which is fine.

We just need to put together a DIY kit that will work.

My vote is for clear anodized alminum.

+1

I pretty new here, so I don't know how it all works, and maybe this is premature (not the first time for me [roll]) but maybe there should be a poll about,
a) How many people will pay cash money
b) What color, clear/black/red
c) ?

We need one question answered before we start a poll...

what is it going to cost.

and too many choices would raise cost. 

When/if a price is quoted we can do a new poll & order thread with max two color choices and ask for "yes, I'm in" no if/maybe options IMO.

I think the poll should also ask if someone would still be in if their color choice was not available.

I don't think we'll be able to do more than one color for a reasonable price.

Yes, I thought the poll would be to decide the one color.

The people in the market for this are going to accept both clear and black - after all it's a unique once in a life time DMF by SMT Limited Edition Special  8)

The price is still the determining factor

Thanks!  I saw the thread title and was like "hm, this looks relevant to my interests" and then I saw my picture and thought "hey, that looks familiar…". :)  They're working great.  Painted black, now.  ZG screen is not an improvement, unfortunately; dumps the wind right under my helmet.  Coming off.

I'll take a set once you figure it out - black or red ends for me...

Black, clear or any color in the silver/gray family, even a not too bright gold or bronze would work for me.

Black or aluminum would work.  Definitely want a set for my 2005 S4R.

Derek V

MonsterLover  [popcorn]

I'm sorry.

I am very behind in the office. I'll admit it.

I'll email myself a reminder.

Ok, here's what I know.

Given the small qty, I don't think I'll be in the price range that a normal person would click with.

So, I found you an alternative.  Actually, a pretty cheap one.  If I wanted these for my bike, this is probably the route I'd go.

M6x1 lh/rh female threaded hex rod.  2 @ $5.25 ea. 160mm long.  If you want shorter you can back track through the website and they have 150mm and shorter as well.
http://www.midwestcontrol.com/part.php?id=3298 (http://www.midwestcontrol.com/part.php?id=3298)

M6x1 lh/rh threaded ball joint thing-a-ma-bob, $3.15ea if you buy 4.  Well, maybe not since you'll need 2 rh and 2 lh.  So figure 4 @ $5.46ea

Find some lock nuts and away you go.  Now, these aren't anodized so there's that.  Find a local place to "add them in" next time they run a load of black.  Most places would do that for you.  Ask them to hang them by the thread so the body of the rod doesn't have any cosmetic marks.

That's what I'd do at least.

For reference, my anodizer hits me with a $100 minimum.  $100 should do about 100 rods or so, just as a guess.  With shipping and anodize I'd have to guess you're under $65-$75.

Haven't logged in in a long time. Great to see this post. I defiantly want a set.

So has anyone made up a set? Please post pics if you have.