Ducati Monster Forum

New from WDW 2016.
News are sketchy. Testastretta engine, 936cc, 120..130HP.

http://www.insella.it/news/ducati-supersport-930-ecco-la-novita-2017-presentata-al-wdw-136583 (http://www.insella.it/news/ducati-supersport-930-ecco-la-novita-2017-presentata-al-wdw-136583)

sort of a derby,

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=73878.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=73878.0)

And here it is!

http://supersport.ducati.com/en/ (http://supersport.ducati.com/en/)

I want!

Pretty snazzy  8)

936 makes 1 more hp but more importantly almost 6 more lb-ft of torque than the 821 motor. 80% of the tq available from 3000 rpm!

^^^THIS!!!

More pics.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2017-ducati-supersport-s/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2017-ducati-supersport-s/)

Looks nice. A sensible sport bike. Too much straight road around here for me to own one though.  :P

Nevertheless I like it!

Someday I should move closer to the coast where the roads are more conducive to riding a sport bike.  [Dolph]

That close up of the gauges shows what appears to be optional grip warmers...

So I have to ask.  Since that "two pipe on the right side"  exhaust also appears on the Euro version 959 but not on the USA version would this bike follow suit? It's not the most aesthetic exhaust design and those of us in the US could hope for a different exhaust but since when has that stopped Ducati?  I could be very interested in one of these but it would be going a bit backward for me at this point.  That doesn't mean this isn't a very nice bike though.

A tiny bit but the new thread has way better pictures and lots more info................. ;D   [Dolph]

Checked the engine specs. Its like a 4 valve 944 with a 94mm bore and 67.5 stroke, nearly the old 900/94 stroke. You can see how they have tried to make a real world motor with 11° Testa in ST2 formula. Sacrificing top end for usable torque for a good street motor is a good idea. I like long stroke motors for the street. I wonder how much crank weight it has for that substantial feel at legal speeds? I might test ride one and report, but I guess you guys will get em first.

Please do test ride one and report back.

Just called the dealer and first shipment is for pre-order customers in first quarter of 2017 with next shipment for the second quarter. They said they will have a demo bike but cant say when.
Guy at shop sounded excited as interest was high in a real world bike.
Maybe it will fill the gap between the Racers and Adventure tourers. We'll see.

This is exactly where it sits for me. My options were limited to the Monster, since I'm too short for a Multi and too old for a superbike.

Too old for a superbike... ???

Speak for yourself. :-*

I had a Honda Super Hawk which was basically a water cooled knockoff of the Super Sport. Great street Bike. The great thing about the Super Sport is that it's the real deal.  :)

 ;D
Obese Sport Touring bikes are torture on the track, Superbikes are torture on the street. My Gixxer would kill my back, wrists, neck and hips on the street but on track it feels like home. :D
I was starting to feel cramped on a Monster until I took Glucosamine [laugh].
Im having my HM1100 seat modified so I can hang off better and keep the Sargent seat for two up and long distance. Bike fit is like buying a suit.

I do think they could have made the new SS more beautiful.

Wish I would have known about Glucosamine years ago.  :-\

Other than the tail, exhaust and mirrors mmm.  Even then, with a reflectoronomy that bike would make me happy.  Hard bags would be a nice addition.

All white with red wheels and all red with black wheels look better, but the half red half black fairing is pox. [puke]. Too disjointed/CBR for me.

I'm gonna break ranks here.

I don't like it. It's just a cheaper SBK.

It doesn't appear that it will fill the bill as a Sport Tourer, and it has antique rear suspension technology.

If Ducati wanted to tie it in with the SS of old then make it a 2V

Can't do that, it won't pass emissions.  No, it is not sport tourer.  As much as I do like it I predict it will not be the hot seller that they might imagine. Not in the USA anyway, maybe.  It was lack of sales that finished off the old 2V version.  Maybe today's hipsters will revive it though.

Hard bags would be interesting. As for the exhaust, I imagine the US version will look different.

I would have preferred it with a DSS and a watercooled 2V . . . and MUCH LESS "Panigalestic"

It's better looking than the first few teaser photos suggested, so there's that.


Yep, cheaper SBK.

How does it go wrong as a Sport Tourer?
Lack of passenger accomodations?

Well, it's an SS, it's supposed to have antique rear suspension technology.  ;D

Would be a better bike with an air-cooled 2V.
Scrambler and R9T and and and....are passing emissions with air cooling.

Too much electronotrickery.

Well, you can pass emissions with a 2V, Ducati does it with the Scrambler, but that isn't what this is about.

It, indeed, was a lack of sales that killed off the SS originally, and the same will happen with this version.

It's a bike without a market. It doesn't excel at anything, or even have a real purpose, and only serves to let the hipsters say they own a Ducati.

We agree then. ;D

Its a city bike. It should be less expensive than the race bike, and you don't need 150+ HP for the twisties or just splitting lanes, that's just insane. It would be an awesome bike on Hwy 1 or any number of other coastal zone roads on the west coast.
It's more than enough bike for public roads, and a guy should be able to make it into a pretty decent track day bike.

Obviously it's not the bike to take racing.

The factory should have consulted me..

Maybe its not aimed at folk like us. ;) ;D

I don't think it will register on Hipster Radar, it doesn't even look old.

Yeah they have the Scrambler for that. I guess young people are the future and my kids would dig that whole scene. Except mine will ride and not be pillion.  ;)
Maybe older guys that used to ride superbikes but wanna be sensible and dont see themselves as part of the cruiser or ADV set? What the..
And yet I dont want one.
I  gave up on understanding Ducatis marketing logic a long time ago. If the bike  was 916 beautiful it would sell like hotcakes. Is it me or are the bikes looking more Teutonic and less Latin? I just see more Audi/Beemer and less Ferrari or Lambo. If so then thats a mistake.

I think you might misunderstand.

They made the bike too much for what it needs to be. The biggest thing it doesn't need is a 4V 936cc engine. Way too much power for what you just described.

exactly what I mean, either water cooler 2V or air cooled 2V . . . Ducati, just had to look in their closet to find the water cooled 2V from ST2 or am I mistaken . . .

Today's market "demands" ABS/DTC, changing dash, many power modes . . . Just give me a damm bike with an engine with enough power and gobbles of torque for it to be fun in the city and the track . . . OK, ABS is mandatory in many countries, so, at least we know we can disable them on every key on . . .

Well I have to admit that the Honda Super Hawk had a 996cc twin that was rated at 100 HP or something, and it was sometimes more than I needed. I was just able to use All of the power on it which was dangerous. It would easily break my self imposed 100 MPH speed limit in seemingly just a few seconds.

That is why I sold it and got the 750 Monster, because I knew that sooner or later there was going to be a tree, or a rock, or a deer, or some other thing getting in the way while I was breaking the speed limit by a goodly amount.

So I think you two might be right. I stand corrected.

If they consulted me I would have told them to build an air/oil cooled 1200cc desmodue making 100hp and 80ft/lbs with peak torque from 3000 rpm and styled with beautiful curved full fairings. ABS and DTC of course with DP touring and sport kits available.
See the mistakes they make when they dont consult me! ;D

I see a lot of things.

They say something along the lines of "making sport light."  They didn't.  It's noticeably heavier than a lot of past SS, even my 900SS.  IMO if you want this market, give me a simple and light bike 2V (air or liquid cooled - air preferred) mill and some top notch handling.

JM

Clearly we're dinosaurs. ;)

Speak for yourself . . .

;D

While I agree with you that 462lbs wet is not "light", a 1998 90SS/CR is listed at 188kg dry, this new SS is 184 dry, 210 wet.

Maybe I got the wrong specs.  Either way it felt super light compared to my M750, I guess from geometry and such.  Either way, if they want sport light, make it light.  The 899 was was lighter.

JM

463lbs wet.

Wow!  According to the 'net, my M750 was a lot lighter wet I've never put it on a scale.  Net stats for what they are and all.  The heavier SS felt lighter.  Maybe I just need to go ride one of these new SS bikes and see what it feels like.

JM

I recently got a good scale so that I can weigh one end of a bike at a time.
M695, M750, S2R800 are all in the vicinity of 400 lb wet, ready to ride.
Not necessarily a full tank, and no significant weight reductions other than aftermarket cans.

Just to be clear that 463 is the new ss.

I noticed there is no place to cook a foil wrapped Burrito on the engine like on other bikes.

Yep, pretty tight in there. It's great to see gaps around the motor like on the air cooled bikes, kind of gear head porn. The more I look at the side fairing bodywork, where the parts join, the more I hate it, because it's so bloody Honda! [bang].

What about making it a naked....

Front plastic off, dress up the intakes on the tank, classic headlight and a small windscreen.

Standard version and spend the savings on suspension internals and an aftermarket seat cowl.

 [Dolph]

I think specs on "wet" weight stipulate fuel tank at 80% capacity. So add another 7lbs to the wet weight for a full tank. Also, the 2V bikes will have a lower wet weight with comparable dry wet due to the lack of coolant.

so civil this crowd  :o

Sounds like one of those other motorcycle boards doesn't it?

Base model - US$ 13.0k
S model ---- US$ 14.7k

959 Pani - US$ 15.0k
M821 ---- US$ 11.7k
M1200 --- US$ 14.0k
M1200S - US$ 16.4k
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/ducati-supersport-s-price-usa/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/ducati-supersport-s-price-usa/)

Since used M1200S's are trading around $12K with a few miles (km), I think I'd put my $ there.  Pricing and looks are too close to the Pani959 to make it a mid-level bike which they need.

I saw the prices yesterday.   [roll]
I'll keep looking for a fuel injected M900 to add back to the stable.

With hi comps, a tuned PC and open airbox, they are the pick of the 900 models imo.

I still want an early HM1100.

JM

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Just some facts for this bike,

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2016/10/04/2017-ducati-supersport-first-look-11-fast-facts/

I've heard that the colour scheme of the base model has been revised with Ducati dropping the two tone black/red combo for straight red. [clap] The two tone scheme looked as poxy as some recent Honda styling.
Hoobloodyray!
In one straight colour, it looks a different bike. Much better.

The more I look at the engine specs, the more I'm impressed that Ducati has gone for a long stroke 944 style motor with plenty of low down torque.

Though I agree with most of the negative comments about the bike I do like it.  To me it does not supersede the bevel drive SuperSport or the last generation, but does supersede the much loved by many '91-'98 bikes, comfy ergos and good for comfy sport touring.