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I mean, let's be real here. We all know that 99% of the people that buy the "race only" stuff are not using it just for that purpose. But I never would have guessed that Harley would give up that easily. I imagined they would put up at least SOME fight...

I think the fact that Harley sold them through a franchise, and likely many bikes were delivered new to customers is an issue.

Waaaay different than an individual seeking out a manufacturer of tuning devices other than the OEM.

sounds like someone gave that up pretty easily.... wonder what the real charge was?

Not a big surprise this occurred, since many new H-Ds are fitted with accessory exhaust and air cleaners right off the bat as part of dealer setup, usually at customer request....

Factory calibration is ridiculously lean. My '06 VRSCR was almost dangerously so. Not anymore.  ;)

This is no different that the Termi setup with "RACE" ECU on the bike I purchased from the dealer. It was set up at my request and I picked it up with everything installed, stock exhaust in a box.

but, at your request, it can go back to OEM lean map . . . it is stored in the "USB" key that came with the exhaust . . .

Right, but so can these tuner boxes sold by HD.

I understand that these are not designed for use on the road, but I just don't understand why HD didn't put up more of a fight...

Because they knew that it was cheaper just to pay?

They did the math.
This is why in the end everyone has to go water cooled on the big bores.

Yup.

So how will this impact Ducati dealerships that remove the emissions canisters for you and then add on Termis, high flow air-filter and DP chip?

The canisters are CARB, not EPA, so unless you're in California... For two years dealers in CA have been unable to sell exhausts.

It appears those Harley tuning boxes were for aftermarket pipes. Harley will need a quick workaround or they'll go out of business as unbearable noise is their stock and trade.  8)

That is not true. I bought my 821 last year and had the Termi race kit installed before I picked it up. It was included in the sales contract.

Not slip-ons..., EVAPS canisters.  [roll]  ;D

You said dealers have been unable to sell exhausts...

Your dealer did you a favor. The exhausts which are MADE in @&%$@ornia can't even be sold there since ~ 2013.  8) Where you been? CA riders have been visiting Nevada...  8) http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/article/california-enacts-un-sound-exhaust-law (http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/article/california-enacts-un-sound-exhaust-law)

Been living in California since 2013. Bought the bike in San Diego in Sept 2015. Purchased the exhaust and UPMAP as part of the bike sale. All on paper.

I know what the law says, but this has been normal practice even since that went into place.

FYI, Triumph and a few other manufacturers won't even ship "off-road" stuff to CA. A dealer caught installing the stuff is subject to $$$ fines. You got lucky. Be happy and be quiet.  ;)

Uhh, pretty sure I could walk into Ducati NB and buy whatever high priced Termi exhaust I want.

We had laws prior to 2013 that allowed the police to cite for loud or modified exhaust. This law didn't change anything.

No clue what DNA may have gotten approved for use in CA. This 2013 law relates to tampering with emissions. OEM's selling Arrows and V&H as accessory exhausts have had the db-killers tack-welded. Easy enough for the owner to defeat but then you have to deal with a non-OEM tune.

Go ahead and ask CA Ducati dealers what impact it may or may not have had. Other brands can't get and will not fit aftermarket. Not worth the fines.

We have had anti tampering laws for decades. I cited for them in "special" circumstances. Nothing has changed here. I stopped at DNB today and can buy anything I want. Dealers don't get fined BTW. The end user would.

GP in san diego got fined big time for installing performance parts
as part of new bike sales if i recall.  but at the same time i see
performance accessories up on the wall.  maybe they can install stuff
if its 'later' somehow, and not part of the new vehicle process.

Apparently they haven't changed their ways...  ;)

First I have ever heard of a dealer getting hit around here. But yeah, likely if you ride away and do the install on the first service it's a better idea.