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Title: Stuck in Gear
Post by: TresGatos on November 05, 2016, 07:11:55 AM
My '08 Hyper will not shift out of second gear and the lever is stuck in the lowest position.

Research on Ducati.ms tells me that there may be a broken spring/return inside the gears.

This is not too uncommon and is not limited to Hypers.

Not sure yet if I will attempt to open it up and fix this - probably a $20 part and hours of labor IMHO :P

Thought I would post this in case anyone else has similar experience in the future.   :)


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: RichD on November 10, 2016, 05:07:13 PM
It it imperative if this happens to ride only as far as you absolutely need to.

It can go from "just a spring" to a whole lot more. 


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: TresGatos on November 27, 2016, 06:17:54 PM

Pic link here: https://flic.kr/p/Nq5wRJ

I got the alternator cover off and have a limited view of the inner gear works.  

I'll tear it down further another day and try to figure out what is the problem.

No big hurry as alternator cover gasket is ordered (California Cycle Works).


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: ducpainter on November 28, 2016, 03:32:01 AM
Pic link here: https://flic.kr/p/Nq5wRJ

I got the alternator cover off and have a limited view of the inner gear works.  

I'll tear it down further another day and try to figure out what is the problem.

No big hurry as alternator cover gasket is ordered (California Cycle Works).
If you're adding a gasket, make sure you check the shimming of any sensors in that cover that might be affected.


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: koko64 on November 28, 2016, 05:04:52 AM
+1. Threebond it if it didnt have a gasket.
Take close up pics for reference and compare to a manual or pics of an undamaged unit. You want to know what it should look like when repaired. The mechanism needs to be in the correct position. Others here will explain it better.



Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: TresGatos on November 29, 2016, 09:15:39 AM
Thanks Ducpainter and Koko64 for advice  [thumbsup]

Got the shifter working!  And did NOT have to remove the flywheel! ;D

The internal "actuator" lever had spring to a hyper forward position.  With a little manipulation, it sprang back to the proper position.  There is a short YouTube (~ 25 secs) on the same issue.

Gasket should get here Wednesday, so possible riding this weekend  [Dolph]


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: Cher on November 29, 2016, 09:41:53 AM

Well done!


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: Mhanis on November 29, 2016, 10:37:10 AM
Nice going Dan!

Mark



Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: koko64 on November 29, 2016, 06:47:21 PM
Thanks Ducpainter and Koko64 for advice  [thumbsup]

Got the shifter working!  And did NOT have to remove the flywheel! ;D

The internal "actuator" lever had spring to a hyper forward position.  With a little manipulation, it sprang back to the proper position.  There is a short YouTube (~ 25 secs) on the same issue.

Gasket should get here Wednesday, so possible riding this weekend  [Dolph]

Fellow Hyper cuz. [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: ducpainter on November 30, 2016, 04:41:55 AM
Check the adjustment of that actuator lever. There is a witness mark on it that should be centered on one of the pins on the shift drum when the transmission is in neutral.

If it isn't it will happen again.


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: TresGatos on November 30, 2016, 09:06:58 PM
Check the adjustment of that actuator lever. There is a witness mark on it that should be centered on one of the pins on the shift drum when the transmission is in neutral.

If it isn't it will happen again.

And thanks again.  I will check for that before re-assembly and refilling with oil.   [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: TresGatos on December 01, 2016, 09:20:49 AM
Hopefully the witness mark is close enough.  Seems to shift as usual - and now I can visualize the false neutral I get at times.

(http://[url=https://flic.kr/p/PHJwqE][img]https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5613/31321041486_506294dede_k.jpg)[/url]Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/PHJwqE) by danrayman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/26088796@N07/), on Flickr[/img]

Try no.2 with a pic link

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5613/31321041486_ffddfb0e8f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PHJwqE)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/PHJwqE) by danrayman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/26088796@N07/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: Speeddog on December 01, 2016, 09:29:22 AM
That is way out of position.

Hashmark should line up with the center of the pin.

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5613/31321041486_ffddfb0e8f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PHJwqE)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/PHJwqE) by danrayman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/26088796@N07/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: ducpainter on December 01, 2016, 11:42:19 AM
That is way out of position.

Hashmark should line up with the center of the pin.


Yup. That's at least half a pin off.

When you get it adjusted, remove the two screws, one at a time of course, and use a dab of blue loctite on them.


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: TresGatos on December 01, 2016, 09:40:40 PM
I did not realize the position needs to be more accurate on the witness mark and shift drum alignment.

Many thanks again for the excellent input!

I still have to clean old "gasket" material, adjust new gasket to fit 3 yellow wire input.

Also have set of bolts coming in from Desmo Times that I may get to use (OEM are a bit corroded looking on the heads).

I'm learning new terms too, like "witness mark".  And "gasket" too  ;D


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: TresGatos on December 02, 2016, 08:31:39 AM
OK, get it lined up about as good as I can get it.

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5610/31338740346_f2a6fb612d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PKieFq)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/PKieFq) by danrayman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/26088796@N07/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: koko64 on December 02, 2016, 08:42:31 AM
That looks better. [thumbsup]


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: Speeddog on December 02, 2016, 09:16:57 AM
Excellent!


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: TresGatos on December 04, 2016, 04:32:07 PM
Got her all put together using sage advice offered by those with more know-how.

She rides great!  [Dolph]  Cannot remember going almost one month with no riding before - started to get a bit grouchy, like um, ... , like Cher  ;D

FYI using paper towel with brake cleaner works on the old gasket material, but changing towel with scotch brite pad works a zillion times better!


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: Cher on December 05, 2016, 10:09:15 AM
Got her all put together using sage advice offered by those with more know-how.

She rides great!  [Dolph]  Cannot remember going almost one month with no riding before - started to get a bit grouchy, like um, ... , like Cher  ;D

FYI using paper towel with brake cleaner works on the old gasket material, but changing towel with scotch brite pad works a zillion times better!


Ha!   [clap]   Well played!  Did not see that coming.  At all…
 
Glad to hear everyhting is back in one piece and running properly.  No left-over parts I take it?  That's when I know my "repair" work is complete… couple of bolts sitting on the garage floor.  And inquiring minds want to know; Did you have to resort to the bigger hammer?  [evil]


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: TresGatos on December 05, 2016, 09:02:17 PM
 And inquiring minds want to know; Did you have to resort to the bigger hammer?  [evil]


Big hammer was used, to gently tap hex keys into heads to avoid stripping.

I know it can happen as I have done that on that very bike  :-[


Title: Re: Stuck in Gear
Post by: muskrat on December 18, 2016, 09:00:43 AM
 [thumbsup]


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