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I love that site. BMW owners get into a tizzy even faster than ducati owners.
mitt
Meh, he's right in many ways. I still frequent Ducati.ms, now all I do on there is sift through dozens of posts about "should I buy a Ducati (x) as my first bike?" "Which oil is best?" "Why this oil sucks" "Which tires are best" "This tire sucks" "My (x) keeps stalling!" and my personal favourite "What's this?" with vague descriptions or IZ_ photos of some useless bolt or plastic cladding that the poster is terrified might be important.
Strangely, it seems that prophecy about Japanese bike owners and noobs rushing out to buy 1098/848s came true, at least in the way .MS has gone downhill in the last year.
^^^ +1 It's sad but true, you can replace BMW with Ducati everywhere in that thread.
Duc and BMW owners usually have $$. If I had tons of dough to throw around I wouldn't change my oil or install a throttlemeister. I would drop off the bike and go ride another one of several bikes that I own. If I didnt have another, I would buy one to ride while the first one was being serviced. ;D
I'm hoping that I can find one of these suckers to pay way too much for the honda I am rebuilding.
I swear....
being a member of advrider is like swimming with sharks when you have a nose bleed.
there is some great information on there, but they'll jump your ass quick [laugh]
Quote from: mitt on July 21, 2008, 10:42:36 AM
I love that site. BMW owners get into a tizzy even faster than ducati owners.
mitt
What? Asshole. You don't know shit. ;D
Quote from: Le Pirate on July 21, 2008, 12:19:10 PM
I swear....
being a member of advrider is like swimming with sharks when you have a nose bleed.
there is some great information on there, but they'll jump your ass quick [laugh]
damn right.. this site and it's members are like being in kindergarten compared to gang bangers in a shit hole public school in the bad part of Compton.
there is a lot of useful info there. I'm keeping a low profile for now - I don't like arguing, get enough of that at home [laugh]
Everyday an idiot is born who cant turn a wrench.
I love that site. I've been lurking there about 2-3 years and I'm still finding different facets of that forum. It takes awhile to learn their adv language and get all the jokes so you can fully experience it. Reading that place is pushing me into dualsport-dom, but i'd never go ducless.
Yea, a lot of Duc owners are always taking the bike to the shop. Even me. I just took my wheel down to have a new tire put on. While I was there, I asked them to clean the dust off the rim so that I didn't void the warranty. [cheeky]
Please don`t forget the Harley owners [thumbsup]
Quote from: big bear on July 25, 2008, 04:00:26 AM
Please don`t forget the Harley owners [thumbsup]
They are too easy to pick on ;D
mitt
Quote from: big bear on July 25, 2008, 04:00:26 AM
Please don`t forget the Harley owners [thumbsup]
F'in harley riders. Let me tell you a story.
Wednesday I started my bike and was heading to work, but had to stop and get gas. So I fuel up and go to start my bike...and nothing. Battery was flat, wouldn't turn over. So I start asking if people have jumper cables...and of course no one does. 5 people. I don't know if they are too busy to help me or what.
Anyways, I ask the 6th guy I walk up to and he says "Yeah...I have some." So I ask him if he'll give me a boost and he says sure, and then I point to my bike.
him:"Oh, no....I don't have any bike jumpers, just car jumpers..."
me: :o....what?
him: you can't jump a bike off with normal cables. You have to have specific cables. I have some, but I don't keep them in my truck.
me: it's alright man...I've jumped my bike off with normal cables before...they'll work
him: no, no...you'll over charge your battery and it could explode.
at this point, I'm utterly amazed. Where did this man here this? I have to know more.
me: where did you hear this? I've never heard this before...
him: Oh, the mechanic at the *** ***** H-D told me that you have to have bike specific jumper cables to jump the bike off. I called at the beginning of the riding season to find out if i had a 12v or 24v battery in the bike because it has been sitting all winter. He told me that you have to have a certain type of cables that won't over charge the battery. They brought out their towing truck and started my bike. I can give you their towing number if you want...they're great guys.
me: oh... [roll]...well, we can jump this bike off with normal ones...I'll take my chances with the battery cause I need to get work.
him: nah man...I'm afraid it might hurt your bike. Here, I'll call the tow truck for you...btw what is this bike?
me: Its a Ducati. Never mind man, I'll just call my wife to come get me...
And thats what I did. She pulled her car up and jumped me off...with regular cables...and I went on my way to work.
[laugh]
I couldn't believe it. They sold the poor guy HD specific jumper cables for his electra-glide...at probably 3 times the actual value of the cables. [bang]
Anyways...thats my harley guy story. And I was 30 minutes late to work >:(
The HD guy had a point, he was just fooled into thinking cables were the problem. Its not a good idea to boost off a running car because of the amperage produced, which can damage your battery in theory. The solution is to boost off a car that isn't running. Cables don't make any difference unless they have a power converter (regulator) built in - which I do not think exists.
its a bmw not a lambo
Quote from: NeufUnSix on July 25, 2008, 03:19:57 PM
The HD guy had a point, he was just fooled into thinking cables were the problem. Its not a good idea to boost off a running car because of the amperage produced, which can damage your battery in theory. The solution is to boost off a car that isn't running. Cables don't make any difference unless they have a power converter (regulator) built in - which I do not think exists.
Exactly - I had a VMAX with a battery that I had to keep boosting for a week off an old car battery that I had at home before I bought a new one. I haven't and wouldn't do it from a running car - I may be completely wrong not doing so.. I just don't know better. :-[
Quote from: NeufUnSix on July 25, 2008, 03:19:57 PM
The HD guy had a point, he was just fooled into thinking cables were the problem. Its not a good idea to boost off a running car because of the amperage produced, which can damage your battery in theory. The solution is to boost off a car that isn't running. Cables don't make any difference unless they have a power converter (regulator) built in - which I do not think exists.
I don't see why it would matter whether or not the car is running. The current drawn by the battery being jumped has nothing to do with the car alternator output, just the terminal voltage....which is the same whether the car is running or not.
I've jumped my bikes from a running car at least 3 times with no problems whatsoever.
EDIT: never mind, it just occurred to me that a current source in parallel with 2 batteries, which each contribute a parallel RC term, will divide the current between the batteries. Since the bike battery presumably has a lower impedance than the car barttery at full charge, it will suck more of the alternator current and may indeed hurt the battery........
Quote from: NeufUnSix on July 25, 2008, 03:19:57 PM
Its not a good idea to boost off a running car because of the amperage produced, which can damage your battery in theory.
I don't see how.
Fully charged car battery on its own - 12.8 V
With the alternator running at idle - 14.5 V+ depending on the vehicle
That's a lot of juice to throw at a small motorcycle battery. Like I said "in theory" it can overcharge the battery and even blow it up. Doesn't mean it will happen. Some cars have the same alternator output as a modern bike (or vice versa).
Jumping from a running car is not a voltage issue it is an amperage issue. Most of the time you will get away with it since the car alternator is usually putting out less than full output. Many new cars are capable of producing more than 120 amps at full output. There is simply no need to risk damage. If your car battery with, four, six or more times the CCA of your car battery doesn't do the trick you have a bigger problem.
hrm....
I dunno. I've never thought about this. I've jumped bikes off of cars since I got my license at 16 and have never blown up a battery. First ride of the season....jump it off. This is all new to me.
Either way....I still think the HD brand cables are BS. Just like the Harley service truck that will come jump you off (for a large sum of money, I'm sure). [laugh]
Cause, if thats the case...his HD cables are still going to draw the same amps as my cables i bought at Western Auto, right?
Quote from: Le Pirate on July 26, 2008, 08:14:54 AM
Cause, if thats the case...his HD cables are still going to draw the same amps as my cables i bought at Western Auto, right?
Depends on the gauge ;)
But I'm guessing when a tow truck jumps a bike, they do it with the same amperage as a car.
Anyone ever hear of anything bad actually happening? I is curious.
I've seen batteries blow from being charged at too high an amperage. It ain't pretty!
There's a difference between overcharging and jumping though. I bet the battery you're talking about was being charged over a longer period of time than one that is just jumped...
Quote from: NAKID on July 26, 2008, 10:44:19 AM
There's a difference between overcharging and jumping though. I bet the battery you're talking about was being charged over a longer period of time than one that is just jumped...
Nope.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Zen_motorcycle.jpg)
Bahaha, good example right there. I only got about 3/4 through though, I can't stand high minded philosophy
(says the History major).
Quote from: BWClark on July 26, 2008, 09:54:21 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Zen_motorcycle.jpg)
Speaking of dumbass BMW Owner's...
Taking a right hand turn out of a parking lot yesterday on my Monster onto a road that had been stripped for repavement. Big drop off the curb and gravel everywhere, so I take it pretty easy. Rush hour too. I look to the left, I'm clear, so I go. Didn't realize a brand new GS was behind me coming out of the parking lot, but he cuts me off to the outside and guns it, almost losing the rear end on the road gravel. Classic part, this bike was cherry as can be, but the rider was wearing a tee-shirt, backwards hat, shorts, and FLIP FLOPS!
I'm usually not one to care what gear other riders wear, but it just goes to show you squids come in all types. More money than brains I guess....
I jumped my 1990 Zx-6 with a car... as soon as they guy started the engine... I freaked telling him to shut it off... and by that time the voltage regulator / rectifier was smoking and had actually smoldered into a useless husk of plastic. That was a fun day. [bang] I did replace all of the parts myself though. No dealer.
Doesn't matter the bike brand... there are some stupid people out there... I don't think you can spend any time on any board and not see it. [coffee]
Quote from: Le Pirate on July 26, 2008, 08:14:54 AM
Cause, if thats the case...his HD cables are still going to draw the same amps as my cables i bought at Western Auto, right?
Probably. But they won't have a kickass logo on them, and won't have cost double or triple. But they will be made in China just the same. :)