What is your life worth?
I say...it's all relative to others, and you have no say in it.
discuss ;)
I learned that your life is worth the sum of all the fun and good memories you have. I had a roomate who died when he was 20 who had hardly lived life at all. Since then I have realized that life is presious but is worth nothing if you haven't lived it. I have a great familly and awesome friends that I still hang with from middle school. I tend to love like I've never been hurt and live life to its fullest. I don't worry about money(that much). It is also the reason I ride. I know everyone on here has had someone ask them why they ride becuase it is so dangerous. My reply is usually, everything is dangerous. I love riding and it never fails to brighten my day and put a huge grin on my face. Some people jump off cliffs or swim with sharks.
My point is life is only worth the fun and good times you have.
Quote from: metallimonster on July 29, 2008, 11:13:21 AM
I learned that your life is worth the sum of all the fun and good memories you have. I had a roomate who died when he was 20 who had hardly lived life at all. Since then I have realized that life is presious but is worth nothing if you haven't lived it. I have a great familly and awesome friends that I still hang with from middle school. I tend to love like I've never been hurt and live life to its fullest. I don't worry about money(that much). It is also the reason I ride. I know everyone on here has had someone ask them why they ride becuase it is so dangerous. My reply is usually, everything is dangerous. I love riding and it never fails to brighten my day and put a huge grin on my face. Some people jump off cliffs or swim with sharks.
My point is life is only worth the fun and good times you have.
but.... of what value is that? There are gang-bangers out there, who are all about the fun and good times. It just happens to be at the expense of others. You can soak in all that life has to offer, but if you do nothing with it, other than take from life.... is there value in that?
(I am in no way try'n to pick fights, I just am interested in hearing opinions that differ from my experiances ;))
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 11:05:37 AM
What is your life worth?
I say...it's all relative to others, and you have no say in it.
discuss ;)
Are you saying....
The value of your life is what others feel it is.
Yet, you have no say in it?
Can you not influence how people feel about you?
My life is worth more than your life. ;)
Quote from: someguy on July 29, 2008, 11:28:10 AM
Can you not influence how people feel about you?
hells yes to some extent.... but, where is the line in living a life for others and living for yourself?
Quote from: Pakhan on July 29, 2008, 11:28:43 AM
My life is worth more than your life. ;)
thats only because you live in a city with higher property values [laugh]
The EPA believes tha value of a average life is worth $6.9 million
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92470116
Quote from: someguy on July 29, 2008, 11:28:10 AM
Are you saying....
The value of your life is what others feel it is.
Yet, you have no say in it?
Can you not influence how people feel about you?
as an example.
I am me.... I have been the new me for lets say.... the last five years (I say new, because we as humans all evolve)
A few years ago.... I almost bought the farm.
Had I..... Michelle, would have read about me in the paper and thought, huh.... stupid motorcyclist. (zero worth to her)
Today, after having known me a lil while, Michelle (now my wife) would have an entirely different opinion as to what my life was worth.
but.... I was and still am the same person.
I'm the constant, but, because we as humans are in flux.... I could change, which may or may not change the dynamic of others opinions of my worth.
Quote from: CDawg on July 29, 2008, 11:36:37 AM
The EPA believes tha value of a average life is worth $6.9 million
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92470116
where do I cash in? [laugh]
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 11:31:51 AM
thats only because you live in a city with higher property values [laugh]
[laugh]
If my life was compared to property in nyc I would be a slum.
You are right though, the value of life is all a matter of perspective. Most people will see more value in their own life and their experiences compared to another common man.
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 11:40:45 AM
where do I cash in? [laugh]
I'm sorry my friend, but you have depreciated over time. ;D
Well, I know how much 18% of my skin is worth so probably a considerable amount.
Really though, I have a good effect on some a bad one on others. I don't care how much I'm worth (not fiscal, really or fiscal). I hope everyone I know has good lives and I help them enjoy the bit of time they get as much as they help me enjoy mine.
When I was saying that life is about fun and good memories I obviously didn't mean out of harming others or only thinking about myself. I meant that I surround myself with good people who I have waaay to much fun with and use that time to create memories. That is what life is about for me. I do a good bit of volunteer work and other things to help the community and the world in general and yes that makes me feel good but life to me is the experiences I share with those I love and trust. Just as my family and friends lives mean a whole lot to me mine means a lot to them because of the experiences and love we have shared.
Quote from: Pakhan on July 29, 2008, 11:43:48 AM
[laugh]
If my life was compared to property in nyc I would be a slum.
You are right though, the value of life is all a matter of perspective. Most people will see more value in their own life and their experiences compared to another common man.
for me...... I want to give more than I take. I want my kids, my family, my friends, to be smarter, faster, stronger, live longer, and be happier than me. Hopefully at the end of my life.... those people in my life will think I was of value to them.
That being said..... I dont live my life doing things just to please people so they will like me.
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 11:53:27 AM
I dont live my life doing things just to please people so they will like me.
So I
can't have the M750TE?
Quote from: Pakhan on July 29, 2008, 11:45:24 AM
I'm sorry my friend, but you have depreciated over time. ;D
shit >:(
[laugh]
Quote from: someguy on July 29, 2008, 11:55:01 AM
So I can't have the M750TE?
I'll ad you to my will ;)
you will have to sign a release stating that you will keep it clean ;)
Do you see more value in your life than someone who is not as giving?
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 11:56:03 AM
I'll ad you to my will ;)
you will have to sign a release stating that you will keep it clean ;)
Not a problem.
Unless fire doesn't remove dirt.
This is a complicated issue and needs to be brought up to a group sitting around talking...and lots of beer.
Parents can value their children's lives more than their own (we see it in the movies all the time...so it must be true ;D).
value is a relative term - depending on relationship between whomever you are asking and the valued person.
Quote from: Pakhan on July 29, 2008, 12:02:07 PM
Do you see more value in your life than someone who is not as giving?
value to whom???
obviously people who know him will value him more, than someone that doesn't know what a great guy (but pain in the ass!) he is.
Pakhan, please specify.
Quote from: Pakhan on July 29, 2008, 12:02:07 PM
Do you see more value in your life than someone who is not as giving?
nope. I'm human, and am flawed to the heavens.
and because you cant see whats inside somebody elses heart (unless they are dumping thier trash out in Taco Bells drive thru) [laugh]
is the fireman doing his job because he truely wants to help people, or did he pick the job because chicks dig firemen?
if he's pulling your ass out of a burning car...who cares at that point.
I think anyone can determine their own and other's values.
There is no right value though, it's all perspective that changes from one person to another. There are only 2 ways to determine your value objectively after death. If your religious then by god and if your atheist then by how many worms you feed.
Quote from: Pakhan on July 29, 2008, 12:32:21 PM
I think anyone can determine their own and other's values.
There is no right value though, it's all perspective that changes from one person to another. There are only 2 ways to determine your value objectively after death. If your religious then by god and if your atheist then by how many worms you feed.
I'm happy with myself. I don't care how others feel about me.
There are those who love me a lot.
And there's at least two people out there who would probably shoot me on sight.
Seems pretty balanced.
Quote from: someguy on July 29, 2008, 12:36:04 PM
I'm happy with myself. I don't care how others feel about me.
There are those who love me a lot.
And there's at least two people out there who would probably shoot me on sight.
Seems pretty balanced.
I'm on the
don't shoot Dave list ;)
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 12:46:30 PM
I'm on the don't shoot Dave list ;)
Can there be a "Kick Dave in the Shin" list? [cheeky]
So if you get robbed and killed for $42 in your wallet, but some one would give $57 million to bring you back, which one is right?
Quote from: fwtcc on July 29, 2008, 01:06:03 PM
So if you get robbed and killed for $42 in your wallet, but some one would give $57 million to bring you back, which one is right?
Depends-did the guy who took the $42 need it more than the person who gave the $57 million? Value of everything is relative....
More beer!! This is really getting deep.
Can't....think....
Quote from: lauramonster on July 29, 2008, 01:31:31 PM
More beer!! This is really getting deep.
Can't....think....
he he [beer]
Boy, you really know how to stir up a bee's nest.
You must be fun at parties!! [laugh]
YOU MAKE US THINK......AND THAT'S A GOOD THING!! [thumbsup]
http://www.bakersfield.com/102/story/507051.html
imagine if you will.... this guy's dad (his best friend) buys him a bike, and at the tender age of 17, he died as a result of riding that bike.
at the time of his death (17) he was still pretty much a decent human.
cut to age 21. the good human in him starts to die.
present day....he leaves in his wake, hundreds of damaged people.
had he died at 17...would it have been a waste?
what was/is his value. what is/was the value of his victims?
I dont know..... nobody knows.
What I do know is.......he, at present day, is of no value to the world and should be removed. That weed needs to be pulled. If not... then we as a society, have just said, that we accept it in some small way, and that his life does have some value, and that makes us part of the problem too.
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 12:20:22 PM
is the fireman doing his job because he truely wants to help people, or did he pick the job because chicks dig firemen?
if he's pulling your ass out of a burning car...who cares at that point.
Funny that you mention this. My ex-neighbor that lived up front is a fireman. The police had to put a gun to his head after they stormed into his house because his wife and 5 y/o kid called 911 as he was raping and beating the hell out of her. He still works for the FD, don't ask me how and only got 4 years probation. He had prior history of this kind. If you think about it, this is the guy that could save your loved one. It's make the beast with two backsed up.
Quote from: desmopr on July 29, 2008, 02:47:17 PM
Funny that you mention this. My ex-neighbor that lived up front is a fireman. The police had to put a gun to his head after they stormed into his house because his wife and 5 y/o kid called 911 as he was raping and beating the hell out of her. He still works for the FD, don't ask me how and only got 4 years probation. He had prior history of this kind. If you think about it, this is the guy that could save your loved one. It's make the beast with two backsed up.
/threadjack
Many firemen are not the boy scouts we think they are.
Thats not directed at your point, which is valid. Just a random observation.
/end threadjack
Quote from: desmopr on July 29, 2008, 02:47:17 PM
Funny that you mention this. My ex-neighbor that lived up front is a fireman. The police had to put a gun to his head after they stormed into his house because his wife and 5 y/o kid called 911 as he was raping and beating the hell out of her. He still works for the FD, don't ask me how and only got 4 years probation. He had prior history of this kind. If you think about it, this is the guy that could save your loved one. It's make the beast with two backsed up.
it's that kind'a stuff that makes me wonder about this whole "value" thing.
does the world need better husbands/fathers, or a rescue staff?
how many chances does a person get, to do life right?
is a man judged by the job he does, or by his actions behind closed doors?
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 02:57:11 PM
is a man judged by the job he does, or by his actions behind closed doors?
Ah, but who is passing judgement?
Quote from: Speedbag on July 29, 2008, 03:14:29 PM
Ah, but who is passing judgement?
everybody
expecially at MSNBC and FOX news ;)
You make what your life is worth. If you wake up every day and say I enjoy my existence then it is priceless, if not well what ever.
No one can say how much your life is worth. What are they going to say? Here is 11ty billion dollars to die. Well you can't cash in on that so in all reality your life is worthless.
If other people are concerned or think your life is valuable oh well. If their concern doesn't translate over into the enjoyment of your life, then its worthless.
Your life's value is strictly dependent on your enjoyment of it. Others opinions may enhance or cause detriment to it, but regardless; it is you who determines what to make of it.
Mine, wouldn't trade it for a thing.
Quote from: fwtcc on July 29, 2008, 03:27:42 PM
Your life's value is strictly dependent on your enjoyment of it. Others opinions may enhance or cause detriment to it, but regardless; it is you who determines what to make of it.
devils advocate here.... Saloth Sar thought he was valuable. In the great big picture...was he?
IMO....there is a reason Thomas Kinkade does not paint Cambodian still lifes.
If he enjoyed it, yeah, he was. When the last day came and he said I am happy with what I've done then his was a good life. Not good and evil, good. Just good for him. Life is abstract and subjective. A guy who saves a million lives commits suicide. What was he worth. Nothing.
Crikeys... you guys are deep here... makes me want to go out and be a better person... or at least pull a baby from a burning building or something like that.
Not to go into the preachy... but things will keep going down hill as long as people view their own worth, and those they know, as more precious than that of others...
Oh, I can cut in line... my time is more important....
Look a wallet on the ground... free money....
Yeah! The waitress gave me a $10 in change when I paid with a $5...
We all are selfish and stupid sometimes, but a human life is as cheap as we make it, and there isn't anything left of it when we are gone.
To the individual, assuming that he/she/it is happy with the way they are, the value of their existence is immeasurable. To the universe as a whole, not a single one of us would be really noticed if we leave the game, worthless, less than a speck of dust clinging to the back of the toilet tank.
I feel that my value lies somewhere between those two extremes.
Quote from: lethe on July 29, 2008, 04:17:38 PM
To the individual, assuming that he/she/it is happy with the way they are, the value of their existence is immeasurable. To the universe as a whole, not a single one of us would be really noticed if we leave the game, worthless, less than a speck of dust clinging to the back of the toilet tank.
I feel that my value lies somewhere between those two extremes.
Horton hears a "waaaaazuuuuup" [laugh]
the value of your life objectively speaking, is worthless.
that is right, basically when you take a grand scheme of you and your place in the world/time and space and in the history of the world and civilization, you are insignificant and essentially expendable.
unless you are posting here and you literally change the course of human history, ie, julius ceasor, alexander the great, gengis khan, chris columbus, einstein, stalin, etc.. your existance and your "value" of life is essentially nothing.
hard to accept? you might be of great value to your close loved ones, granted that is true but the reality of the situation is outside those 5 or 10 people your life will really have no signfigance, sure you may "affect" others and such but really your life as a whole won't mean much bc they are too involved with their own lives to care.
so you ask is the doctor "worth" more than the criminal? its relative on how you view it.. in the long run and after time they are both nothing but two people that lived and died in teh course of human history and no more.
yes we really are all that worthless. and yes in a way that means you can do good or bad and in the long view of things nothing really matters. and that is what scares people.
ok.... now that we all agree that we as humans are worthness in the big picture...... lets discuss the global warming hoax and how mankind is make the beast with two backsing nature up [laugh]
But I invented Soylent Green..... I fed the world....
even if it's made from people....
Soylent Green.... its made from people... [bang]
;D
+1 to what sbrguy said though. Really.
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 04:25:03 PM
ok.... now that we all agree that we as humans are worthness in the big picture...... lets discuss the global warming hoax and how mankind is make the beast with two backsing nature up [laugh]
grand scheme view, maybe man wrecks the world and makes ourselves extinct in teh process.. again no big deal, bc the dinasours became extinct and in another 2million years the planets will still be here but we won't be and our existance won't matter at all the solar system will still exist and work like it has for the past 100 million years or so. so in a way, who cares? the only people that care about global warming are those with kids, otherwise why care if the world in 100 years is unhabitable, afterall i'll be long dead by then, i could care less if your kids/grandkids are dying of starvation. [cheeky]
but all kidding aside, i think that the immdeiate value of what a person is in montary numbers are decided by insurance companies, and in the more esoteric view its valued by those you know and however you want to gauge your own happiness and value, and that changes for everyone.
I agree, that in the big big picture...we aint shit. But...
I terms of "who do I want as my neighbor?", would you want the fireman who beats his family, but might save your life, living next door to you, or Pol Pot, who happens to have a pool he lets you use when he's out of town?
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 04:21:21 PM
Horton hears a "waaaaazuuuuup" [laugh]
Stupid whos and their roast beast, what the hell is that shit anyway. It looks like a turkey with four legs and no wings.
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 04:25:03 PM
ok.... now that we all agree that we as humans are worthness in the big picture...... lets discuss the global warming hoax and how mankind is make the beast with two backsing nature up [laugh]
We couldn't make a large impact in the grand scheme of things if we tried. Even our little shitty planet is nothing, just a field trip to bring window licking alien children to when they need to be entertained.
Quote from: bobspapa on July 29, 2008, 04:29:47 PM
I agree, that in the big big picture...we aint shit. But...
I terms of "who do I want as my neighbor?", would you want the fireman who beats his family, but might save your life, living next door to you, or Pol Pot, who happens to have a pool he lets you use when he's out of town?
i would want neither really, but let's be serious usually what we want is someone that is good to us and we usually don't care what they do in their own house or time.. so most i think would pick the fireman bc its not your family he is beating and he may be helping you, and pol pot is sort of the same thing, if he killed a lot o fpeople outside of your area but was a cool guy to have at a bbq, most people again wouldn't really care so long as he never brought it home or around your kids.
I like not knowing.
I like assuming most people are good.
I like my work neighbor Mohamad.
If I found out he was funneling money to terrorists back home..... my like would not be the same.
I think that human beings' value is infinite. It all depends on how each individual human being looks at it. What may be something disturbing, disgusting, or anti-social to us, may be completely normal to others and vice-versa. I TRY not to judge anybody that doesn't affect me or my family directly. I believe that we deserve/get what we dream and that we live the live that we want to live. (consciously or unconsciously) IMO there is a positive and a negative side to everything. For me, I try to learn from everyone. (this includes what many people refer as "low-lifes") Everybody can be a teacher in some way. What pisses me off, is religions trying to control this beautiful world we live in and people that try to past themselves as someone who they really are not or hypocrites. I truly believe that the religion is in great part to blame on how make the beast with two backsed up the world is nowadays. Just sit down and think, how many lives have been finished in the name of Jesus or Allah amongst many other spiritual leaders. Racism, war, hatred, people that judge others and don't judge themselves, etc, etc. I do "discard" people that try to take advantage of me and my love ones, and liars.
Dr Nick Riviera says "$29.95"
Sounds about right to me, My wife says I'm cheap. [thumbsup]
Quote from: JBubble on July 29, 2008, 12:59:53 PM
Can there be a "Kick Dave in the Shin" list? [cheeky]
How about a "shoot Dave's bike with a pressure washer" list [cheeky]
Quote from: bozcorob on July 30, 2008, 09:21:33 AM
How about a "shoot Dave's bike with a pressure washer" list [cheeky]
The dirt has developed it's own ecology.
Pressure washers don't remove it, they just make it mad.
Some days I think maybe my life is worth a negative. Like the people around me would be better off without me ??? like if I died 20 years ago would my wife have found a better husband and would my kids have all the good qualities from my wife and none of the bad ones from me?
OR...
Would they have ended up with a fireman rapist that beats them? In this case my value just went waaaaaay up [thumbsup]
Buy me a beer and we'll call it even ;D
Must be the new board......or something 'cause
Nobody said,
11ty billion $
BTW Someguy, are you saying the dirt is stronger than Ajax