http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/nyregion/30about.html?scp=3&sq=officer&st=cse
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/29/nyregion/29critical.html?scp=1&sq=officer&st=cse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhxjxAMQXpY
All police officers are the bravest of heros who deserve not only our respect and admiration but also our blind obidience. They way that brave man selflessly stepped in front of that criminal was . . . [wipes away tear] . . . just beautiful. This make me proud to be an American. I think he deserves a medal for keepimh scum like that off of our streets.
sac
/I miss Scott S.
WTF???
Guess he was bored and needed something to do?
Quote from: SacDuc on July 30, 2008, 08:29:40 AM
I think he deserves a medal for keepimh scum like that off of our streets.
Technically, he kept the guy
on the streets.... [cheeky]
Quote from: SacDuc on July 30, 2008, 08:29:40 AM
All police officers are the bravest of heros who deserve not only our respect and admiration but also our blind obidience. They way that brave man selflessly stepped in front of that criminal was . . . [wipes away tear] . . . just beautiful. This make me proud to be an American. I think he deserves a medal for keepimh scum like that off of our streets.
sac
/I miss Scott S.
You are ABSOLUTELY right. I don't know for sure but I would think that NY would have some sort of helmet law. If it does, this video CLEARLY shows that the scumbag criminal was breaking the law for not wearing a helmet. (this is based on the assumption that NY does have a helmet law).
Let that be a lesson to YOU bike peddling punk. Wear your helmet. To protect your noggin when the nice policeman subdues your ass when shoves his knee in the back of your head.
Quote from: someguy on July 30, 2008, 08:46:25 AM
Technically, he kept the guy on the streets.... [cheeky]
no no..as the article states, he knocked him from the lane onto the curb. he took a violent and obviously dangerous scallywag
off the street.
Quote from: someguy on July 30, 2008, 08:46:25 AM
Technically, he kept the guy on the streets.... [cheeky]
Not to put to fine of a point on it, but if you pause the video at 0:25 you clearly see that he is off of the street by a few feet. :D
Seeing this, and other police misconduct footage over the past few years, it occurs to me that the camcorder has joined the gun as a deterrent to encroachments on our freedom.
Before the camcorder and the cellphone cam, the cops worried about whether a suspect was armed with a gun. Now, they have to worry about the gun, and the camera. The camera might not kill you, but it'll wreck their career, and in some cases, put the officer behind bars.
Quote from: Bun-bun on July 30, 2008, 08:58:46 AM
Seeing this, and other police misconduct footage over the past few years, it occurs to me that the camcorder has joined the gun as a deterrent to encroachments on our freedom.
Before the camcorder and the cellphone cam, the cops worried about whether a suspect was armed with a gun. Now, they have to worry about the gun, and the camera. The camera might not kill you, but it'll wreck their career, and in some cases, put the officer behind bars.
it can also prove that there was no inpropriety and save the officer's career.
basically the camera/camcorder helps keep people on both sides honest (or as honest as you can be if you are being arrested)
Quote from: Bun-bun on July 30, 2008, 08:58:46 AM
Seeing this, and other police misconduct footage over the past few years, it occurs to me that the camcorder has joined the gun as a deterrent to encroachments on our freedom.
Before the camcorder and the cellphone cam, the cops worried about whether a suspect was armed with a gun. Now, they have to worry about the gun, and the camera. The camera might not kill you, but it'll wreck their career, and in some cases, put the officer behind bars.
Quote from: KnightofNi on July 30, 2008, 09:01:41 AM
it can also prove that there was no inpropriety and save the officer's career.
basically the camera/camcorder helps keep people on both sides honest (or as honest as you can be if you are being arrested)
I know you are not, but it sounds like you guys making a case for the British style "camera at every corner" system. After all, if you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear, right? ;) Just ask the guy on the bike.
sac
Quote from: SacDuc on July 30, 2008, 09:07:24 AM
I know you are not, but it sounds like you guys making a case for the British style "camera at every corner" system. After all, if you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear, right? ;) Just ask the guy on the bike.
sac
i'll be one of the first arrested for destruction of property should that happen.
or i'll just glower at them everytime i see them.
Am I naive in hoping justice will actually prevail here?
When is the last time the NYPD was held accountable for this kind of stuff?
Seriously, I can't remember.
Quote from: SacDuc on July 30, 2008, 09:07:24 AM
I know you are not, but it sounds like you guys making a case for the British style "camera at every corner" system. After all, if you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear, right? ;) Just ask the guy on the bike.
sac
I love the arguments put forward for those type of cameras. I love even better arguing against them.
Quote from: KnightofNi on July 30, 2008, 09:08:13 AM
i'll be one of the first arrested for destruction of property should that happen.
or i'll just glower at them everytime i see them.
You can be very intimidating. I'm sure the CCTV would avert its eyes as soon as the facial recognition program realized it is you. [cheeky]
sac
That was awesome. Makes me want to go out and beat a hippie.
Seriously though, it seems that the officer's firing was probably justified.
Quote from: tommys67 on July 30, 2008, 09:16:39 AM
Am I naive in hoping justice will actually prevail here?
When is the last time the NYPD was held accountable for this kind of stuff?
Seriously, I can't remember.
Its NYPD. What did you expect? Id say 90% of cops go in with the intent of serving and helping others. By the first year, im sure half of them have given up on people. the other half still need a job.
Quote from: Duc Stamp on July 30, 2008, 09:37:21 AM
That was awesome. Makes me want to go out and beat a hippie.
Seriously though, it seems that the officer's firing was probably justified.
he wasn't fired, he is just behind a desk rather than on the street while they "investigate the matter". He won't have anything happen to him and will be back on the streets being a dick soon enough.
has the situation between bicyclists and cops gotten that bad? i never had issues with them unless i did something blatantly wrong. (like bombing stairs)
i left before the critical mass thing really got going too. i had to worry more about drivers messing with me than the police, which is part of the reason the whole critical mass thing got legs i believe.
Cops don't like critical mass and it has been an on going issue for years. They city has tried stopping it by taking the organizers to court and they failed.
are the riders running lights or hitting peds?
as much as i get blasted for saying this (and prob will again) bicycles are considered vehicles, are not allowed on the sidewalks, have all the rights that a car gets, and are subject to all the responsibilities of a car. bicyclits are given lanes to ride in to keep us out of the way of the rest of traffic. the lanes are often times far too small, and blocked by cars. bicyclists get bumped around and treated with disrespect by both peds and cages. it's no wonder they are aggressive and go through red lights and split lanes.
and yes, there are a fair share of them(though i should say us) that take it a bit overboard and are practically militant. some break the laws with impunity and harrass peds, ride on sidewalks, and take up way too much space on the road.
i still say the cyclists are getting a raw deal on all of it. it's sad to see that it's gotten worse since i left.
Quote from: KnightofNi on July 30, 2008, 12:58:30 PM
i still say the cyclists are getting a raw deal on all of it. it's sad to see that it's gotten worse since i left.
no doubt they need their charismatic leader back, to lead them to freedom. You better schedule a trip.
though the police job is a very noble job "in theory" unfortunately theory and reality usually aren't the same. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS UTOPIA.
Thus this saying will ALWAYS apply to military and law enforcement, no matter if your relatives are involved in either.
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
Sad but true. That is why there must always be checks and balances even on those that are supposed to be "the good guys protecting us".
Again, remember UTOPIA DOES NOT EXIST no matter how much you "think" it does, nothing is perfect ever.
Quote from: sbrguy on July 30, 2008, 01:07:54 PM
Again, remember UTOPIA DOES NOT EXIST no matter how much you "think" it does, nothing is perfect ever.
Care to explain bacon then?
Quote from: someguy on July 30, 2008, 01:23:06 PM
Care to explain bacon then?
ok you got me on that one.. the bacon is perfect. [bacon]
Quote from: someguy on July 30, 2008, 01:23:06 PM
Care to explain bacon then?
Bacon WAS perfect. Then one day the entire internet decided that bacon consumption would replace beer consumption when guys started spouting off about how much ______ they could eat/drink. This new form of internet prick waving has taken bacon from a widely enjoyed food to a simply annoying internet meme that will hopefully soon go the way of Chuck Norris and Numa Numa.
That is all.
sac
Quote from: sbrguy on July 30, 2008, 01:07:54 PM
UTOPIA DOES NOT EXIST
Utopia head shop
3 Newbridge Rd., Hicksville NY
516-935-6680
:P
Quote from: SacDuc on July 30, 2008, 01:28:51 PM
Bacon WAS perfect. Then one day the entire internet decided that bacon consumption would replace beer consumption when guys started spouting off about how much ______ they could eat/drink. This new form of internet prick waving has taken bacon from a widely enjoyed food to a simply annoying internet meme that will hopefully soon go the way of Chuck Norris and Numa Numa.
That is all.
sac
you're a meme!!!
I am not justifying the cops actions but I hope these obnoxious critical mass f*ckers end up dying in the back of ambulances that are held up in traffic by more self righteous pinheads like themselves.
If you want the laws changed or you want bike lanes constructed or you want more people to ride, fine. But mass stupidity will do nothing for your cause.
They break the law, they piss people off, and they have no meaningful agenda.
Critical Ass is more like it.
Do you LIVE in NYC?
Bacon is not perfect. it must be cooked before eating. Only when its cripsyness is reached, is it perfect. aside from massive heart attacks.
(https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/2717930849_d5d570fe11_o.jpg)
If Utopia (not the head shop) existed there would be no such thing as turkey bacon [puke]
Unlike some cities Critical Mass in NYC is the behavior of the bicyclists has been reasonably peaceful and inconvenience to cars has been probably been less than the average street fair, just enough to be noticed.
If no one ever demonstrated we would probably still have whites only water fountains and women not allowed to vote.
Am I the only person that saw the person on the side of the road with the bottle of water for the Police Officer?
The poor guy was just going to get a cool drink and the biker hit him.
I don't blame the guy to brace for impact and avoid personal injury.
Then of all the nerve the cyclist resisted arrest.
Shame on you biker for hittting the thirsty cop.
;D
Quote from: howie on July 30, 2008, 10:30:33 PM
If Utopia (not the head shop) existed there would be no such thing as turkey bacon [puke]
Unlike some cities Critical Mass in NYC is the behavior of the bicyclists has been reasonably peaceful and inconvenience to cars has been probably been less than the average street fair, just enough to be noticed.
If no one ever demonstrated we would probably still have whites only water fountains and women not allowed to vote.
I think critical mass in NYC treads a fine line of what I would consider acceptable demonstration and being inconsiderate. If their message is that they are like cars and need to be treated equal then they need to abide by the same rules. None of this running red lights and blocking traffic crap.
I believe most of the people who ride it are not there to protest but to have fun controlling the streets for a little while.
Quote from: howie on July 30, 2008, 10:30:33 PM
If no one ever demonstrated we would probably still have whites only water fountains and women not allowed to vote.
To demonstrate, you need to have a point. If blacks wandered the streets en masse committing crimes where do you think the civil rights movement would be today?
As for women having the right to vote, I'm still not sure that was a good thing. Just kidding.
Quote from: Pakhan on July 31, 2008, 07:47:08 AM
I think critical mass in NYC treads a fine line of what I would consider acceptable demonstration and being inconsiderate. If their message is that they are like cars and need to be treated equal then they need to abide by the same rules. None of this running red lights and blocking traffic crap.
I believe most of the people who ride it are not there to protest but to have fun controlling the streets for a little while.
what about the protesters that blocked the entrances to buildings or refused to get up when told to thus blocking certain areas?
if you just shout it doens't make an impact. if you impede people's daily movements they tend to notice. a lot of times it is a fight to stay alive while riding in that city. many of the things i did that others might consider rude were doent o keep myself from being hurt by the jackass in his cage or the idiot walking without looking at what is going on around them.
95% of the times i got injured it was because of something stupid that someone else did. if you raise awareness about your situation then maybe people will start to look for you. (sounds kinda like the arguement for increased motorcycle awareness education doesn't it?)
keep in mind i agree that certain thigns should not happen (running red lights and the like)
First off, I hate that people can do things to other people and the victim of whatever it is can do nothing about it. Probably the thing that frustrates me the most in this world.
Secondly, I agree with the Dali Lama, Martin Luther King Jr, and Ghandi. Silent protest is the way to go. I agree to some degree that you can do something that would get you arrested but what gives the protester the right to infringe on other people's lives.
If the argument is that it's the way to get the word out then I would say how do you morally justify the selfish act of imposing on other people. Trying to promote an agenda is very difficult to do right. The person that blocks buildings and prevents people from doing what they want to do makes the protester no better than what they are protesting against. (within reason)
Silent protest is only effeective when the message is something that strikes the heart. When something is that powerful, the image is what moves you, not the words.
These are freaking bikes. If biikers stood on the corner and chained themselves to street poles. No one would give a shit.
Do you know what role bikes play in NYC? a HUGE ONE. Bikers are forced onto the streets with cars and this causes hundreds of accidents each year. maybe thousands, im not sure. If you dont ride a bike in the city, you would never know how hard it was, and if you as the mayor never rode a bike to work, as work, then you wouldnt know a damn thing about it. So why would you change it? You wouldnt, unless thousands of bikers came out and protested. there are more and more biker lanes on major avenues than there ever before and there should be more.
Mayor Bloomberg rides the subway everyday to work, the only problem is, his line is always tip top. So thats probably what he thinks of every other line. All the videos of him on the train are also when the train is at its emptiest. (probably very early when its not crowded) and i think he gets home by car. Does he give a shit about the MTA? Probably not that much since he doenst have to surffer am rush hour train traffic. Whos protesting? No one and nothings changing.
What once was a 81 million surplus, quickly became a 81million deficit LITTERALLY over the course of a few months. this was when the first fare hike to $2.00 came around. This year, they projecte an 800million deficit by 2010. There are 6 major projects underway, 4 of them must be completely stopped. dozens of repairs are put on hold, there are now less trains running than every before, the planne 2010 fare hike got pushed into 2009. So there is ANOTHER fare hike in Jan 2009, ontop of the one thye threw at us a few months ago.
Welcome to NY. Now get the make the beast with two backs out of my way, i need my hookers and blow. :D
unprovoked, uncool, unacceptable and not to mention un-very nice. I predict a massive apology and a large divot in the cash account for NYPD. Officer Pogan sir... I do not salute you.
rookie cop gave dubious account of his videotaped bicyclist assault (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0729081bike1.html)
this guy is a 'nus. his mummy let his cornflakes get soggy one too many times and SOMEONE was gonna pay