California: Just don't paint it black (or any other dark color in fact)

[MotoCreations]

This was just about the most stupidest thing I ever read -- thus why I had to post this thread.  I can't believe someone is stupid enough to even propose the idea above.

As for emissions in California:

- The bunker diesel burning cargo ships going into the ports of California produce incredible amounts of pollution.  Why aren't those being fixed or the issue addressed?  (The world economy would love to build new emissions friendly cargoships and replace the old fleet of belching dinosaurs -- it would create many new jobs to be honest for the next 20+ years!)
- If the roads were in better physical condition (they are horrible in comparison to decades ago), wouldn't traffic cruise along more steadily and thus reduce emissions?
- I'm surprised some environmental group hasn't figured out a way to get rid of the dairy cows -- they fart too much and generate greenhouse gasses
- If the local city/county traffic engineers actually were smart, they'd fix the stop light problem so traffic can move/flow properly during rush hour.  But to do that, I'm sure they'd have to hire more experts and someone to do it then and there would be environmental impact paperwork (and community meetings for feedback) for each stoplight involved and thus wouldn't happen for seven years.

As a friend mentioned to myself and California, the "carbon footprint" problem has been there for a long time.  Even early caveman had to deal with it.  Look in Los Angeles at the La Brea Tar Pits -- essentially uncovered an uncovered oil/tar spill emitting still to this day as a greenhouse problem...

[ducatiz]

This was just about the most stupidest thing I ever read -- thus why I had to post this thread.  I can't believe someone is stupid enough to even propose the idea above.

if you're referring to my "suggestion" to send goons to ppls homes, it was a joke.. but in line with the mood of some folks (not anyone here that i've seen)..

or which post were you referring to?

[NAKID]

I think he was talking about his original post...

[Spidey]

As for emissions in California:

- The bunker diesel burning cargo ships going into the ports of California produce incredible amounts of pollution.  Why aren't those being fixed or the issue addressed?  (The world economy would love to build new emissions friendly cargoships and replace the old fleet of belching dinosaurs -- it would create many new jobs to be honest for the next 20+ years!)
- If the roads were in better physical condition (they are horrible in comparison to decades ago), wouldn't traffic cruise along more steadily and thus reduce emissions?
- I'm surprised some environmental group hasn't figured out a way to get rid of the dairy cows -- they fart too much and generate greenhouse gasses
- If the local city/county traffic engineers actually were smart, they'd fix the stop light problem so traffic can move/flow properly during rush hour.  But to do that, I'm sure they'd have to hire more experts and someone to do it then and there would be environmental impact paperwork (and community meetings for feedback) for each stoplight involved and thus wouldn't happen for seven years.

None of those are mutually exclusive of what CARB is trying to do.

[MotoCreations]

Two updates:

1) national media picked it up and ran with it --> http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_032609/content/01125110.guest.html

2) Black is "safe" for now as of the end of last week.  CARB is apparently only going to push the "reflective glass mandate" forward for review.

One question:

If "black" is such a bad color, why are all the asphalt roads that are black (and asphalt roof tiles) not changed as well?  Shouldn't they make them silver or a beige or at least white to increase reflectivity...

[herm]

haha..........silver roads would be GREAT!

[ducatiz]

Roads in Florida panhandle are white (ish)..

[Triple J]

I've seen roads in some parts of the southwest (IIRC) that were reddish. The color of a road is largely due to the color of the aggregate used in the asphaltic concrete. Not necessarily right when it is laid as the asphalt (the oil portion) is always black and the aggregate (rocks and sand) is initially covered by a thin film of it...but as the road ages the thin film of asphalt is worn off and the aggregate, and its color, is exposed.

[Smokescreen]

Yeah, there were some red roads here in Colorado and they were beautiful.  and the aggregate was particularly course, so traction was fantastic.  I wish Pikes Peak International Raceway had been made with that red asphalt.  That woulda' been awesome!!

[herm]

Yeah, there were some red roads here in Colorado and they were beautiful.  and the aggregate was particularly course, so traction was fantastic.  I wish Pikes Peak International Raceway had been made with that red asphalt.  That woulda' been awesome!!

that stuff is most likely chip-seal.
the downside to the coarseness is that it EATS tires.
when i had my first monster, i was riding about 30 miles of twisty chip seal, twice a day on my commute.
i was also going through tires in under 4 thousand miles.

That was in Northern California BTW. they used an agrigate which was produced locally from some volcanic rock or other.
very black roads...

[Mother]

on my ride back from ouray, they had chipped a huge stretch of hwy 20 with something similar, fantastic traction but very visible wear to the tire