Any Better Tire for Log distance + Twisties than PP 2CT?

[Kabulpostie]

I really like the way the 2CTs feel when I turn; will the Angels feel heavy or slow? And how does that more rounded profile affect "flickability"?

[NAKID]

I'm running the PR2s front and rear and have about 12K miles on them. Based on current wear, I expect the rear to hit at least 20K.

[krista]

Anyone know if they grip as well as the 2cts? Once I get done with the 100+ miles of slab I end up at palomar mt or twisties going up 79. So things  get pretty spirited, I'm not fast, but we do get enough lean that I have run the rear all the way to the edge. Little worried that if I go with the roads I might find myseld doing some pavement surfing.

From 1999 to 2003, Zina and I rode 400+ miles every weekend, including up and over Palomar. When the Pilot Roads came out, she was able to get a set for testing (she was a journalist for Ducati Racing at the time) that we put on her M900ie. The first night, she decided to go out for a moon light ride. I didn't go, probably unfuxoring my own Ducati. She came back, loved them, blah blah, said on the freeway, felt a little funny. Yeah, turns out she picked up a nail and the rear was flat. She'd just gotten done riding I-8 from Sunrise Hwy to I-15 at 80 mph. The tire was barely warm.

We raced at Willow and did lots of track days, so when out on fun roads, we didn't really slow down for the turns. No problems getting to the edge of the tires. No complaints about grip either. We didn't slouch... always rode alone because whenever a dude got in the mix, he'd have to pass Zina to prove his manhood. After the 2nd or 3rd time going back and helping folks pick their bikes up... Eh.

We did a lot of track days too, and she ran the Pilot Roads there too. They aren't really designed to operate in the temperatures track riding can give, but the old style Monster's ground clearance kept her pace in the mid 1:40s, so she didn't push them too hard.

Pilot Power 2CT are designed to operate on the track, where the tire temp can be 50 to 100 degrees hotter than is possible on Palomar or anywhere on the street, so trying to compare grip to a tire designed for a sport bike (120 front / 180 rear) isn't exactly valid. IMHO, any tire that isn't specifically a touring tire is going to have plenty of grip with spirited street riding. If you're going fast enough that you're trying to blame the tires for an accident, time to take it to the track... 

So what about me and my bike(s)? Back then, I rode Pongo (97 M900) on the street and had the Aprilia RS250 race bike. Pongo had whatever tires were on sale that week or "good used" tires from other sources. Once I started dragging footpegs, I'd hang off and turn my aggro down a notch. I never really noticed or cared about my tires on the street once I started getting serious on the track.

Winning the club championship in 2002 pretty much killed my inner child spirit to ride, so I haven't hit Palomar in a decade. My currently running Ducati is an S2R800 with Pilot Powers from 2005 on it. I put them on (along with the Arrow pipes) to do a track day a week after I bought the bike. They're great, the rear can spin up on the track and my bike stays in line. I'm pretty sure I've ridden somewhere on the street (oh, S22) and have gotten them to the edges. Now that the centers are worn out, I'll probably replace them with 2CTs just because I'm more likely to go to a track day than drive ride up the 15 to go to Palomar.

Overall:
I love Michelins - especially after her very safe ride on a flat rear.
Tires designed for any use on the track are for when you ride on the track.

I don't sell tires, just tryin to share some experience.
Chris

[Skybarney]

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Been riding 32 years now.  I have found most of the track tires a total waste of money on the road.  As such I usually buy a tire that is dual compound and designed for street use.  Used to love the Conti Road Attacks!  get 6k of running canyons out of those.  The Rossi 2's I have now work nicely, but are a little vague when moving quickly.

[thorn14]

I just got a new Pirelli Angel GT yesterday after my ST went around ~22k kilometers. I haven't had a chance to test it out properly, but it's supposed to be an improvement, and I had no issues with the old ST. My front ST is about 8k old and seems ok.