One tire rule confirmed at Japan for next year

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Yep.

[darylbowden]

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Yeah, ever since WSBK went mono-tire that thing has been a spitting image of Nascar.  Whew.  I mean, I can hardly tell who's riding a Chevy and who's riding a Dodge.

[Ducatiloo]

Yeah, ever since WSBK went mono-tire that thing has been a spitting image of Nascar.  Whew.  I mean, I can hardly tell who's riding a Chevy and who's riding a Dodge.

+1  I had allways though that the MotoGp was better than this. 

[gm2]

+1  I had allways though that the MotoGp was better than this. 

ok, you got me: are you continuing the sarcasm or did you actually think daryl was serious?

[Ducatiloo]

I was joking about the Nascar thing.    Serious about the MotoGp being better than this.

[sh]

Why do we care if there are multiple tire manufacturers again?  There is a rider and constructor championship and no tire championship.

I'm looking forward to all the tire excuses evaporating from this sport.

And the trickle-down theory is totally bogus.  My Michelins are the worst tire I've ever used.

[ducatiz]

I just don't understand why MotoGp would ~want~ to do this.  it removes a huge amount of water cooler conversation about the races..

"Did he win because of the tires?  blah blah blah"

[Ducatiloo]

I just don't understand why MotoGp would ~want~ to do this.  it removes a huge amount of water cooler conversation about the races..

"Did he win because of the tires?  blah blah blah"

+1  I wonder if Stoner had not won in 07, would this had happened?  And why did the MotoGp change the rules in 07 to help the "little" tire manufactures, then ban the big guy outright for the 09 season.  They both seemed like a, which ever way the wind blows, decision.

[derby]

+1  I wonder if Stoner had not won in 07, would this had happened?  And why did the MotoGp change the rules in 07 to help the "little" tire manufactures, then ban the big guy outright for the 09 season.  They both seemed like a, which ever way the wind blows, decision.

the '07 change was made in the name of cost containment for everybody. it really shouldn't have had an impact on the racing.

the '09 change is being made because it's impacting the show. there is no tire competition currently in motogp. you have bridgestone giving their riders competitive tire and michelin just trying to get their riders around the track.

think of it as a change made in the name of safety.

it's a sad situation, really.

fwiw, i don't mind bridgestone being awarded the contract. they've proven that they can consistently build a competitive tire for the series. if the contract was awarded to michelin, it'd be welfare. they don't deserve it.

[Stillie]

if i had a dollar for every time i've heard "I don't know what happened.  Suddenly I was on the ground" from Power Race users.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of that either. Unfortunately the Pilot Race tires give you absolutely no warning before they go but they've worked for me as long as I stop using them at a certain point. On my SV that = 2 race weekends, no more. Anything else is flirting with a lowside. With that said, I don't think there is a better dual-purpose track day/street tire than the standard Pilot Power.

I really wish that Bridgestone would make a viable alternative in the 160 range instead of the BT-090. I always loved the 002 and liked the limited time I had on 003's but I'm not sold on the 090.

I'll be trying Dunlops next season unless Bridgestone changes something.

[Ducatiloo]

the '07 change was made in the name of cost containment for everybody. it really shouldn't have had an impact on the racing.

the '09 change is being made because it's impacting the show. there is no tire competition currently in motogp. you have bridgestone giving their riders competitive tire and michelin just trying to get their riders around the track.

think of it as a change made in the name of safety.

it's a sad situation, really.

fwiw, i don't mind bridgestone being awarded the contract. they've proven that they can consistently build a competitive tire for the series. if the contract was awarded to michelin, it'd be welfare. they don't deserve it.

It made a difference in 07 because Michelin couldn't bring in tires all though the testing period so Rossi could dial his bike in.
07 showed that Michelin was winning because they could make tires, and overnight them unlike the other companies which had to have a more focus plan of attack.

[gm2]

the '07 change was made in the name of cost containment for everybody. it really shouldn't have had an impact on the racing.

shouldn't have but we know it did.

It made a difference in 07 because Michelin couldn't bring in tires all though the testing period so Rossi could dial his bike in.
07 showed that Michelin was winning because they could make tires, and overnight them unlike the other companies which had to have a more focus plan of attack.

there's an endless debate about how much midnight special'ing there really was.  but it's clear that the '07 change caught michelin with their pants down.  whereas bridgestone had been making, calculated, steady advances each of the years prior.  they were in a good place in '07 (obviously), but the new tire rule had the effect of really shining a light on that development cycle vs. michelin's shotgun approach.

[gm2]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of that either. Unfortunately the Pilot Race tires give you absolutely no warning before they go but they've worked for me as long as I stop using them at a certain point. On my SV that = 2 race weekends, no more. Anything else is flirting with a lowside. With that said, I don't think there is a better dual-purpose track day/street tire than the standard Pilot Power.

I really wish that Bridgestone would make a viable alternative in the 160 range instead of the BT-090. I always loved the 002 and liked the limited time I had on 003's but I'm not sold on the 090.

I'll be trying Dunlops next season unless Bridgestone changes something.

i'll try not to get all hyperbolic on you and just say: Get The Dunlops.

those new 211s are amazing.  they may cost more but when you factor in how long they last, the feel and predictability, and the lowside you'll probably avoid, they're damn near free.

that said, i have no clue if they make an N-Tec 160.

[derby]

It made a difference in 07 because Michelin couldn't bring in tires all though the testing period so Rossi could dial his bike in.
07 showed that Michelin was winning because they could make tires, and overnight them unlike the other companies which had to have a more focus plan of attack.

i didn't say it didn't. i said the rule shouldn't have had an effect.

the reality is that michelin screwed the pooch. big time. two years in a row.

fwiw, bridgestone could've done the same thing as michelin. but they chose not to.

[Stillie]

i'll try not to get all hyperbolic on you and just say: Get The Dunlops.

those new 211s are amazing.  they may cost more but when you factor in how long they last, the feel and predictability, and the lowside you'll probably avoid, they're damn near free.

that said, i have no clue if they make an N-Tec 160.

Yeah I'm not sure if they make 211's in a 160 or not. I know for a fact that they make the 209's in my size. The price is about the same as a Michelin PRC front/ Med/soft rear combo so the only thing that really keeps me on Michelin is my supplier.

I was thinking about doing the same thing my Middleweight teammate does and run a 211 front/209 rear combo. He runs them for the durability and Dunlop contingency. Things that are important when you've got top 3 MW speed.