switch to clip-ons and top triple, need instruction.

[erichan8757]

Hi,
i am thinking to  switch the handle bar with clip-ons and the OEM top will be replace by
a speedymoto top triple, i am thinking to do this by my own
however i 've browsed through most of the How-to and some Mods section
and not seen one that's teaching the instruction.
is there anyone who's done this before and knows how to do and what tools are required?
thanks for your time
and thank you for all replies

[herm]

make? / model? / year?

there was a great write up on this over on TOB (DML) by BryanS i think. i used it as a reference when i installed my clip ons and speedymoto top triple.

the biggest issue i had was that i had to raise my forks up a bit in order for the speedymoto to fit.

your results may vary depending on your model

[OwnyTony]

Important thing to know is, "Will the clipons be installed bellow or will you find a way to install them above the triple?"  Or a question similar to that is "will you get clipons that have a good amount of rise or ones that have no rise?" 

Installation is very easy, assuming that installation is only involving replacing the triple and adding clipons. 

Let me say that I do all my mods while the bike is on pitbull front and rear stands. 

Taking off the front triple is as easy as releasing/unscrewing the pinch bolts that hold the triple onto the forks (and the center thing that goes through the frame and connect to the lower triple but i dont know the name of).  The reason why I stated that I used front and rear stands is because the bike is held up by the frame.  If you take off the top triple with out the bike being supported by the frame, the weight of the bike may be too great for just the lower triple to take.  (someone verify this)

once the triple is off, you slide the clipons on to the fork tubes.  There are clipons out there that come in two pieces so that you dont have to take of the top triple but since you are going to replace the triple, your option pool is now greater (reasoning behind this is that some people refuse to take off the top triple and only stay with 2 piece clipons).

It is that simple.  Installing stuff is easy, it is the clearance issues that you may run into that give you a real problem.  We need info as to what bike you have, where you plan on putting the clipons, if you run a wind screen or not.  Do you want your gauges to be in stock position or not.

Tell us what you envision the end product is going to be and we can give you more detailed info.  By the way, I just installed new triple and clipons and had major fitment issues (according to what I wanted to do).  Had the stock handle bars off, put clipons on, ran into clearance issues.  Tried to address those clearance issues by lowing headlight and gauges.  Needed welding supplies. Waited on welding supplies.  Fabbed stuff to make it "work". Realize it was not going to work.  scrapped the clipons and looked for another option that would allow mounting of clipons above triple. Found a great deal on ebay for cycle cat triple with top fork mount and clipons with about an inch of rise.  Installed and now happy as can be.

The nearly 1 month of not being able to ride my bike was killing me.  (I was already in too deep where I could not return bike back to stock so that I could at least ride).  Sorry for the mini jack

[erichan8757]

i have a 06 monster 620

and i am about to install the clip-ons below the triple,

also i will replace the grip.

i have the LSL clip-ons with riser and the speedymoto top

which according to some other fellow  rider  has no issue, (i hope) ha

and also i dun know if i have the ride tool to do all the job, including the center bolt piece.

i have the bar-end indicator  which i need to reroute the wires.

other than that , i am not sure what else i should pay more attention to, enlighten me

thanks,
eric

[fromario]

Hi,
first thanks for the response.

i have a 06 monster 620

and i am about to install the clip-ons below the triple.

thanks,
eric

First of all i have an S2R1000 and i was installing APEX clip-ons UNDER the triple.  The first issue was the fact that the brake and clutch lines had to be re-run to work.   Also to prevent the clip-ons from hitting the tank at full lock, i had the master cylinders right up against the headlight bracket.  Whether or not you will have similar issues is beyond me.  just a heads up

[Wanwo]

Seems like a big job but not so bad. The bottom triple will hold everything together. Tools - set of metric hex keys and a rubber mallet.

Heads up - make sure the nubs on the plastic controls (throttle and clutch) are properly seated in the pre-drilled holes on the clip ons before you tighten them up otherwise you'll break the controls.

[herm]

here is what the finished product will look like (more or less)



speedymoto top triple and LSL clip ons w/risers

[OwnyTony]

i have a 06 monster 620

and i am about to install the clip-ons below the triple,

also i will replace the grip.

i have the LSL clip-ons with riser and the speedymoto top

which according to some other fellow  rider  has no issue, (i hope) ha

and also i dun know if i have the ride tool to do all the job, including the center bolt piece.

i have the bar-end indicator  which i need to reroute the wires.

other than that , i am not sure what else i should pay more attention to, enlighten me

thanks,
eric

If the center bolt is the piece that has the 8 hole that you need a special tool with 4 pins to screw out that "center bolt", it is not needed.  If you are replacing just the top triple, the only thing that holds the triple on to the bike is a pinch bolt that pinches on the center bolt and the 2 fork tubes.  The only tool you need to get the top triple off is a metrics allen/hex key.  

How much rise does the lsl clipons have?  Getting the actual pieces on the bike (the top triple and clipons) is a piece of cake.  Very easy.  The "hard" part is finding a way for all the wires and lines to make their way back to the master cylinders and controls.  

The only tool you need metrics allen/hex to get your stuff installed on the bike.  I reiterate this to show how easy it is to get the parts on to the bike.  

The next "major" obstacle I foresee is rather or not you have to lower the gauges for you to have enough clearance for your brake lines to fit.  The brake lines really can not bent much so you have to give your self or rather make extra clearance for them to fit.

Next thing is that I am going to assume that you do not have a front wind screen.  This should help eliminate one clearance issue you may run into.   If i can find my camera, I will try to snap some shots in a series to sort of "walk you through".  

[OwnyTony]

here is what the finished product will look like (more or less)



speedymoto top triple and LSL clip ons w/risers

I am guessing the gauges have not been lowered?  Do you have a pic of the bike looking down onto the gauge/cluster and triple?

[Monstyr]

I'd actually recommend that you get a new set of brakelines as it'll be so much easier to get it all back together that way, the oe ones will be way too long to fit back in the space easily.
I used harris clip ons with a speedymoto top triple.
When I did my S2R the biggest headache was refitting all the lines and wires, I had a few sets to try including twin lines from an SS, this didn't work as the double bolt from the master cylinder fouled the headlight,so I went with an older SS set up single bolt at the top split below the bottom yoke and this works fine, a single line to one caliper using a double bolt to run over the mudguard to the other side will also work.
If you look at the how to section there is a post on dropping the headlight and clocks as this is a very complimentry mod to go along with the clip on look.

Theres no set way to do this and trial and error is all part of the fun

[erichan8757]

first of all , thanks for all information and suggestion

Herm, nice look,
by the way, does it give you a hard time to move all the control back in place, and
is it hard to drill the hole?, well is there any clearance issue??
thanks,

OwnyTony
i am just thinking about i should lower the cluster but, i am not sure how to do that tho, so i have to find some instruciton

however, i have the windscreen on, should i get rid of it to clear the space up?

Monstyr,
i am replacing the top triple and the clip-ons below the top, do i still need a new wires?
i may have to order it now, since i almost about to start doing the mod, t

thanks all of you,

[herm]

I am guessing the gauges have not been lowered?  Do you have a pic of the bike looking down onto the gauge/cluster and triple?

gauges and headlight lowered

first of all , thanks for all information and suggestion

Herm, nice look,
by the way, does it give you a hard time to move all the control back in place, and
is it hard to drill the hole?, well is there any clearance issue??
thanks,

i didnt drill holes in the bars. i ground the little nubs off, and wrapped grip tape around the bars in the appropriate places. very common method which works great, and much easier than lining up to drill the holes.

as far as clearance issues,..........mine was complicated (or made easier?) by the fact that i lowered my instruments and headlight as part of the same mod. i used all the original wiring and brake/clutch lines. just gotta be creative.

here is another pic from when i first got it all together. notice where one of my front break lines is routed

[OwnyTony]

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1050.0

That should give you an idea of how to lower your head light and clusters.  The basics of it is that you have to grind out the welds that hold the head light and windscreen bracket on the U frame/bracket.  Lower the brackets and re weld them to the U bracket. 

One major difference between what I did and what I think the direction you are going to go at is that my clipons are above the triple with out lowering the bike/sliding the forks above the top triple so that the top is exposed to put clipons on to.  You can not slide the forks above the triple without a huge change in your bike geometry.  You would have to have at least 2 inches of the top of your forks exposed to put clipons on them. 

The fact that I have my clipon on top of my triples give me more wiggle room in how I routed my stock brake lines.  I can say with experience that if i were to use my wood craft clipons and mount them under the triple WITH my gauges and headlight already lowered, I would run into clearance issues with the brake lines.  With my CycleCat clipons that mount on top of the triple give me enough wiggle room to work with my stock brake lines. 

If the goal of getting everything to work with the least amount of resources is the main objective, the worse case scenario for you is that you would need new brake lines for things to work out.  Of course if you decide to lower your headlights and gauges, your problem would be finding someone to re weld the brackets back on to the U bracket. 

Another thing that I can say is that If you decide to not use your wind screen, you will have a little more wiggle room for things to fit but I personally think the monster looks better with the windscreen in place. 

I think we have come to a place where I think you have come to have a general idea of what would be involved to complete your mod.  That in mind, answer these questions
1. Do you want to lower your gauges and headlights (technically, you could JUST lower your gauges or JUST lower your headlight but if you are going to lower one, you mind as well do the other. Not much more involved an both help to give you clearance).

2. Do you want to keep your windscreen

3. Are you flexible with your resources.  For example, will new brake lines be an option.

After you answered the first 2, I think we can have a better idea of what you would have to do.  #3.....I personally try really hard to use the least amount of resources as possible so I will keep that in mind for you as well.

Also, Do you live in the States (USA)?  I kind of have a feeling that you may not.  Reason why I ask this is because If you lived in the States, I could tell you to go to your local Home Depot or Lowes for some stuff.  If out of the States, I dont know what places would have the resources you need to help complete your mod.  I could help you with what you may need but would not know where to get it.

[erichan8757]

WOW your= guys are great,
thanks alot for all the detaili =

Ownytony i live in NY
and i think i will lower both and
keep the windscreen, the brake line is no problem for me to get new one,
i will consider all!

thanks AAA LLLOOTT

[Ranger06]

I just installed a set of Woodcraft's 2 weeks ago.  Really straightforward like everyone says, bolted right on with basic tools.  Lowering the light, clocks and getting everything to fit...not so much.  I ran into clearance issues with the brake lines, which was easily fixed with a little patience.  The coffin style reservoirs didn't clear the clip-on mounts so I had to get some spacers from monsterparts (http://www.monsterparts.com/pc/ADAP/Clutch-Brakes/ADAP.html)

Lowering the gauges and clocks was easy.  The top of the U bracket does not have to mount to the bottom of the upper triple, seems to be plenty solid with just the 2 lower mount bolts.  Then, the gauges mount right under the triple with some hardware from Lowes (M5-.80 x 30 Socket Head Cap Screw).  They were not long enough, so I countersunk the bolts in the top triple.  I used the OEM "T" nuts on the bottom.  Here is a link to the post describing how I did it  (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=11543.0)

Here are a few more pictures showing the spacers and a close-up of how I mounted the clocks.  Totally worthwhile mod, it's like I have a totally different Duc.  Fits me a lot better and feels like it responds a lot quicker.