Ford 'My Key'

[Howie]

IMO, the issue isn't black and white as to who should be personally responsible with kids. The parents have a responsibility to raise them right (which rarely happens nowadays) and then the kids have a responsibility to act right (also rare).

Also, there need to be more consequences. If I caused an wreck or got a ticket, I paid the resulting difference in cost on insurance.

Xacly.  Most of us did and still do stupid things.  So will our children and grandchildren.  All part of learning. 

I like... yes we forget that a lot of learning occurs early on.  Perceptions are formed well before one gets their license.  If Jr. sees mommy/daddy driving like an ass, talking on the phone/texting, tailgating, cutting people off etc etc - that impression of 'that's how one drives' will last a long time.  Hmmm circling back round to personal responsibility again... a commodity in too short supply in America.

Also true.  Set the example folks

[rgramjet]

You know what really gets me thinking about comments of bad parenting?  I am a product of my parents parenting, they are the products of their parents and so on. 

I'm a relatively young guy (24) and with all the "how old are you" posts on the forum, I realize that a good amount of people are over their 40s 50s.  Are not the "parents" who are my generation, who do such a shitty job parenting a product of their parents?

Don't get me wrong, I don't like shitty parents or parenting but it does not fall solely on one generation.

I think parents want to do right by their kids, giving them things that they didn't have.  The key word is "Giving" which creates expectation and if unchecked will turn your kid into an impatient, ungrateful PIA.....Ive seen a lot.

Too many parents these days try to be "cool buddies" with their kids instead of parents.  I'm a little guilty of that with my 6 year old son. I'm heavily into cars, bikes, guns and cussing.....all fascinating items to a six year old.  But, he realizes there is a line that if he crosses, privileges will be taken away.  He has great manners, will look you in the eye while shaking your hand and will hold the door open for his mom/females.   I think there is a happy medium that can be reached and maintained.

[herm]

we also need to remember that the world that todays kids are growing up in is vastly different from the one their parents grew up in. repeat that sentence for the parents and their parents. when i was growing up, there where no cell phones, ipods, in car gps, etc..... for me to be distracted by while driving. and there may or may not have been a radio in the car my dad learned to drive in (definately no 8 track). and uncle sam taught my grandfather how to drive a general purpose vehicle in the 40's, since there were no cars around to learn on when he was a kid.

point is, you can only take the comparisons so far.

[Rufus120]

I bet by the time this system is released to the public it will take less than six months for the lil f*@kers to have figured out a way around it.  At this point a 16 yr old in 2010 has grown up on computers and all they'll have to do is hook their car up to myspace or something and they'll be able to go 110 before you know it.  I remember when my parents got a tv with a password that was supposed to prevent my little brother from watch "bad" tv shows.  He had a way around that within ten minutes.

[Slide Panda]

I bet by the time this system is released to the public it will take less than six months for the lil f*@kers to have figured out a way around it.

Analog solutions to digital problems:

[lethe]

Analog solutions to digital problems:

Analog response to analog solution. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMsjRtOHXow&feature=related

[Slide Panda]

Ehhhhh... smart ass. 

Ok - find me a hopped up version of anyone of the fine beauties housed in the microcar museum. 

[lethe]

Ehhhhh... smart ass. 

Ok - find me a hopped up version of anyone of the fine beauties housed in the microcar museum. 

Ok.





That was easy.

[Slide Panda]

Yuu = not as crafty as he thinks he is...

One last shot... Circa 1984 Subaru GL wagon aka my 1st car. 

[jdubbs32584]

Yuu = not as crafty as he thinks he is...

<snip>

Well duh. 

[lethe]

Yuu = not as crafty as he thinks he is...

One last shot... Circa 1984 Subaru GL wagon aka my 1st car. 

6th one down is close enough.

http://www.techworkseng.com/Gallery/Customer_Rides.htm

[Slide Panda]

Well duh. 

Look here missy!

6th one down is close enough.

I didn't have no stinkin' turbo... but on that note - I surrender.

[herm]

i learned to drive in a 197? dodge van, 3 on the tree. that thing wouldnt go faster than about 60 mph
my first car was a 1970 toyota FJ40 landcruiser, also 3 on the tree. i found out that it would not go over 60 when i blew the engine on I-25 between Ft Collins and Denver.

edit: most important point. i didnt own a car until i was 22 years old. parents wouldnt buy me one (good for them) and it was not a priority for me.

motorcycle on the other hand..............

[darylbowden]

I understand the impetus for developing something like this.  Parents are legally responsible if their kid make the beast with two backss up and gets in a major wreck while their under 18.  Being that we live in an increasingly litigious society, this makes perfect sense to me.  It sucks, but it's reality now.

[Howie]

we also need to remember that the world that todays kids are growing up in is vastly different from the one their parents grew up in. repeat that sentence for the parents and their parents. when i was growing up, there where no cell phones, ipods, in car gps, etc..... for me to be distracted by while driving. and there may or may not have been a radio in the car my dad learned to drive in (definately no 8 track). and uncle sam taught my grandfather how to drive a general purpose vehicle in the 40's, since there were no cars around to learn on when he was a kid.

point is, you can only take the comparisons so far.

We still had distractions.  Girlfriend almost in your lap while trying to shift that three on the tree, beer, foggy windows (no AC or rear widow defrosters yet), even an AM radio with five push buttons and general horsing around, just to mention some.  It didn't take long for me to turn my '57 Ford Fairlane into a '57 Falcon.