My first valve job!

Started by uclabiker06, December 08, 2008, 10:15:47 AM

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uclabiker06

Can't believe I actually went through with it.  Here are the measurements from my initial check at 6K:
 
Horizontal
        Intake Opener .0015     Intake Closer 0   Exhaust Opener .0015  Exhaust Closer .0005
Vertical
        Intake Opener 0     Intake Closer .0015   Exhaust Opener .0015  Exhaust Closer .0005

Some Notes:
As I was checking the vertical exhaust valves I noticed a KTM logo indented on the bottom of the oil cooler!  "What the heck" is what I said to myself.  Aren't Ducati and KTM competitors?  Anyways I sanded the openers and closers.  Sanded one of the openers too much so I ordered that one from EMSduc.com.  I kind of regret sanding the shims because its going to make things difficult the next time around if I need to order new shims but I'll deal with that when I get there.  I tried using forceps to secure the valves like in the video but that did not work out and I actually took a couple tiny bits off of the edge of one of the valve seals! Then I quickly realized that I was going to have to use the screwdriver in the plug hole method instead.  Hopefully the valve seal wont be mad at me!  I had a hard time figuring out which side of the half rings is supposed to go up.  They are supposed to go in the same way they were before taken out  Solution:  When viewed from one side the sharp end of the half ring looks more pronounced/sharper/more dagger-like and that is the side that is supposed to go up (I hope).  Also for the openers I found that putting them back in and using the feeler gauges was a good way to measure them instead of the caliper.  I kind of didn't trust myself with that thing specially for the first shim I sanded, which was the one I sanded too much.  It was very labor intensive but even more fun.  It took a lot more time than I would have thought it would but I think the results will be worth it and the valves were an awesome sight!
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2006 S2R
2009 Smart

ghostface

Congrats! Feels good huh working on your own shizz!  [thumbsup]

pennyrobber

I know the closer's can be a zero clearance as long as you can spin the shim but I am pretty sure the openers aren't supposed to be zero clearance. Are these your before or after measurements?
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EEL

I'm assuming you took off the timing belts to get the closer valves right.

uclabiker06

#4
I did take the belts off (partially) and spun the vertical cam 360 degrees several times with one finger.  It rotated freely so I assume that means there is no binding.  After sanding the closers I also pushed down on the closing rocker at TDC and made sure the closer would rotate all the way around with pressure from one finger.  I talked to Mike from EMS and he said that my shim has been shipped so I am waiting on it.  A big thanks to Chris from California Cycleworks.  He is really knowledgeable... He's the guy I got my tools from. 
Life is never ours to keep, we borrow it and then we have to give it back.
2006 S2R
2009 Smart

DucHead

It is nice to do things for yourself.  I did mine last month.  It took 6 hours!!
'05 S4R (>47k mi); '04 Bandit 1200 (>92k mi; sold); '02 Bandit 1200 (>11k mi); '97 Bandit 1200 (2k mi); '13 FJR1300 (1k mi); IBA #28454 "45"

Capo

#6
The company that makes the radiators for Ducati is KTM Khuehler, it used to be part of KTM but was sold to an Italian group in 1992.

http://www.ktm-kuehler.at/95029db1565b60061c724f9c6d250c9e.html


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uclabiker06

Life is never ours to keep, we borrow it and then we have to give it back.
2006 S2R
2009 Smart

billg69gmc

I agree, getting the clamp onto the valve can be a PITA. I filed down the teeth on the clamp, then did a single wrap of electrical tape, This sort of made a divet for the valve to want to stay in once you compress the clamp.

Congrats!!!
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uclabiker06

Well I don't think my initial measurements for my closers were correct because I don't think I pressed down hard enough on the closing rocker to get the full clearance so I will be measuring them again and probably replacing them.  :(
Life is never ours to keep, we borrow it and then we have to give it back.
2006 S2R
2009 Smart

Armor

It's hard to believe that at 6,000 miles your openers are at 0 clearance.  Are you measuring at TDC on the compression stroke?
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uclabiker06

Only one of my openers measured 0.  I am sure I was measuring on compression TDC for the respective valves and I even double checked.  The .0015 feeler did not go in no matter what and I don't have a smaller feeler in my set so I considered that to be 0.  Curious to know why you find it hard to believe.
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2009 Smart

Duck-Stew

Your openers will require NO pressure on any rocker arm to be checked (so long as the cam is not trying to open either valve (it's on the base circle)) and they should be no tighter than 0.004".  NO tighter then that.  Any clearance smaller than 4 thousandths will mean that there is NO room for the valve to grow in length as it heats up during normal use.  That causes bindage when the valve heats up and expands and that will wear the chrome off of your opening rocker arms and eventually destroy your camshafts*.


*:  Not destroy as in explode, but wear out the faces where the rocker arm slides and therefore damage the camshaft requiring its replacement.
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uclabiker06

No sir I did not put any pressure to check the openers (only the closers).  So you are saying that erring on the loose side is better than erring on the tight side for the opening clearance?  (In other words .005 would be better than .003).  I heard though that the EMS shims are harder than the OEM shims which makes me wonder if there is a higher chance that my half rings will brake.   Thanks for the advice Dr. Duck-Stew :)   

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2009 Smart

Duck-Stew

Quote from: uclabiker06 on December 11, 2008, 09:45:13 AM
No sir I did not put any pressure to check the openers (only the closers).  So you are saying that erring on the loose side is better than erring on the tight side for the opening clearance?  (In other words .005 would be better than .003).  I heard though that the EMS shims are harder than the OEM shims which makes me wonder if there is a higher chance that my half rings will brake.   Thanks for the advice Dr. Duck-Stew :)   



Unless you're racing the engine, neither shims hardness will come into play any significant amount.  And as far as opening clearances go...I'd rather see 0.010" than 0.003"...

I shoot for .004 when I'm doing the openers on a 2V Duc, but up to .010 will run just fine... 

Oh, and I dropped out before my Doctoral program started up...  My advisor told me to do it!  [cheeky]
Bike-less Portuguese immigrant enjoying life.