New Bill for Loud Motorcycles, NYC

Started by Howie, December 31, 2008, 05:14:38 AM

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Howie

Please read this thread      http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?board=28.0     then sign the following petition.  If you leave a comment, IMO, "loud pipes save lives" will not work.

http://www.petitiononline.com/ccmsny/petition.html

Thanks.

zooom

the thing to keep in mind that the AMA is hugely argueing against NYC in regards to this is that the same restrictions on the automotive industry are not being implemented...so a Civic with a fart can won't get a ticket while your Duc with Zard or Termi's will for example...

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Statler

petitions from folks outside of NY are not going to have nearly the same weight as the local guys calling their representatives.

And tread lightly...almost all our aftermarket stuff is illegal.  Need to find some good arguments for why the City shouldn't fine people for illegal pipes.

Good luck, NYC folk.
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redxblack

Maybe we should all send an email to the council members as potential tourist dollars that would be lost. That might be the only way non-locals would have an impact.


Also, in the linked thread there are lots of good arguments why this is a bad law - definitely worth a read.

herm

get the manufacturers of the aftermarket exhaust on board.

despite the fact that most aftermarket is for "off-road" use only, they must be aware of how big a hit they will take if no one buys their goods anymore.
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Howie

#6
Quote from: Statler on December 31, 2008, 07:19:23 AM
petitions from folks outside of NY are not going to have nearly the same weight as the local guys calling their representatives.

And tread lightly...almost all our aftermarket stuff is illegal.  Need to find some good arguments for why the City shouldn't fine people for illegal pipes.

Good luck, NYC folk.

Thanks for the input, Chris.

This particular petition only asks for a name and the e mail, so home is not important.  I agree this petition is not powerful, but every little bit helps.  There is a local letter writing campaign that I have been pushing on three boards.  

The arguments I have been pushing are:

Discrimination, since loud exhaust on a car or truck is a "fix it" ticket.
Punishment on par with DWUIA is extreme.
A reasonable law already exists, 80 db.
EPA markings are often not visible.
There are legal bikes without EPA markings on the mufflers including vintage bikes.

As I said before, a "loud pipes save lives" argument is not a good idea.    

Statler

Quote from: herm on December 31, 2008, 08:01:53 AM
get the manufacturers of the aftermarket exhaust on board.

despite the fact that most aftermarket is for "off-road" use only, they must be aware of how big a hit they will take if no one buys their goods anymore.

Or set themselves up for a huge liability hit.  I'd expect them to lay low.
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Statler

Quote from: howie on December 31, 2008, 08:04:23 AM
Thanks for the input, Chris.

This particular petition only asks for a name and the e mail, so home is not important.  I agree this petition is not powerful, but every little bit helps.  There is a local letter writing campaign that I have been pushing on three boards.  

The arguments I have been pushing are:

Discrimination, since loud exhaust on a car or truck is a "fix it" ticket.
Punishment on par with DWUIA is extreme.
A reasonable law already exists, 80 db.
EPA markings are often not visible.
There are legal bikes without EPA markings on the mufflers including vintage bikes.

As I said before, a "loud pipes save lives" argument is not a good idea.    

This is all very good stuff.  Good job, Howie.
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Howie

NYC is also concerned with revenue from the stock market, tourists, etc, not the financial well being of a few aftermarket manufacturers and retailers.

sbrguy

#10
what is really stupid is this LAW  will only ENCOURAGE people to "core" their pipes which are louder than any aftermarket exhaust, bc they will have the EPA mark on them.

Statler

#11
Quote from: sbrguy on December 31, 2008, 10:06:19 AM
the issue is if you don't have teh "stock" exhuast you are screwed.  meaning you could have a completely legal honda exhuast bc it kills dbs just as well as a ducati exhaust but costs half an you would get towed.

in other words it "forces" you to buy the manufacturer of your BIKE ONLY and even if there was a street legal aftermarket exhaust, it would be 'ILLEGAL', you would comply with the db requirements but still get a ticket.

that is what is totally bogus about the law.  its poorly written, poorly thought out, and basically a piece of crap legislation that was rubber stamped.  these officials should be thrown out of office for stupidity and fired.

is there an online cite for the actual bill?

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sbrguy


is there an online cite for the actual bill?


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http://webdocs.nyccouncil.info/attachments/86212.htm

check out the part where it states that the EPA label "an exhaust muffler bearing the federal EPA-required label applicable to the motorcycle's model year"  if you read this it means you "have to" get the year muffler for your bike and no other year will be good.

that is bogus

Statler

Quote from: sbrguy on December 31, 2008, 10:22:33 AM
is there an online cite for the actual bill?




http://webdocs.nyccouncil.info/attachments/86212.htm

check out the part where it states that the EPA label "an exhaust muffler bearing the federal EPA-required label applicable to the motorcycle's model year"  if you read this it means you "have to" get the year muffler for your bike and no other year will be good.

that is bogus

was just coming to say I found the committee report from this month.....and here it is.   ;D
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Statler

#14
interesting reading.  I think the unjust penalty approach is going to be the best bet.  That and showing that the application is going to be much more difficult than envisioned and the proposed solution does not directly address the problem...ie: people complain about loud bikes, not bikes lacking the EPA sticker...and that there is not a close enough correlation between the two.

Certainly a wake up call.  NYC non-riding residents have decided to get rid of loud pipes in the city.
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