Vista Not all that bad

[derby]

I do agree with the fact that they didn't put enough into it.  It's not that they didn't have enough time either.  XP ran for years and years while they worked on Vista as a kind of side project, and they STILL weren't ready.  Vista is clearly (and loosely) based on XP though, so they got lucky in that respect.  The problem is that the vast majority of people thet buy these machines don't know the difference, so Microsoft can sell whatever they want. 

do you even recall the list of features that were slated for vista that were pulled before release?

...it's not a short list.

[derby]

OSX is based on BSD, and Unbuntu is linux.  They have common ancestors, but OSX is not based on Unbuntu in any way.

i wouldn't even say they have common ancestors.

look at the family trees:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_history-simple.svg (click to enlarge... may not be viewable in IE, try firefox)

nowhere do unix and minix/linux touch.

[He Man]

BSD is also unix based, which is what linux is based on, which is what Ubuntu is based on right? I might be getting it all wrong though.

What i dont like about OSX, this goes hand in hand with Macintosh too so...

aside from their whole marketing scheme....

1) Nothing is organized in a reasonable way.
2) if a program freezes, how the hell are you suppose to force it to shut down? theres no task manager atleast from what i know of.
3) what the hell is an apple key? why cant i use ctrl+c to copy, isntead of apple + c. The key is so awkardly placed,  its almost like the alt key. has ANYONE ever used that key? no becasue its not in a friendly position. its kinda like the FN key on a laptop. you have to have a reason to use it, and youd probably have to look at the keyboard to find it. (im a big fan of hotkeys by the way)
4) Ive used macs for about 3 years now (because everywher i go, thats all they have to use) and its still annoying to figure out which key is the minmize, maximize, cross out, and if you minizme it, it dissapears to this bar that could infintely long. and can have an infinite number of items that are grouped in no particular way.

5) the more you use it the slower it gets. its like a blackberry. needs to be reset ever so often. ive gone almost a month without restarting windows. this includes programing my Rapid bike unit, drawing up things in autocad, photoshop, watching movies etc.

6)WTF Is that damn bar anyway? You know the thing that floats atop of everything but you cant really move it. I know beryl used it since mac people LOVE IT. I dont get it, i perfer my start menu thats organized and easy to find stuff, especially with that new built in search feature that vista has.

7) I hate the genralized file/edit/view etc buttons.sometimes i wanna run 3 programs at once, and i get confused on which programs' file button im clicking on.

i can go on and on. Not sure if i mentioned it, but theres also a grpahical delay in everything. Clicking on a box that pops up with some sort of list takes a while. I dont know if anyone gets what im trying to say, but those milliseconds of watching the menu open up and be use able is annoying as hell.

Granted when i first started using UBuntu, i had the same issues, but its much more windows like. I tried running Kubuntu since they said its much more windows like and friendly, but it crashed to often.

Those are my reasons. And to top it of, i wouldnt be able to stream to my xbox if i had a mac.

edit: nice chart derby. they never do cross paths. I was always told that linux was derived from Unix systems.

[derby]

BSD is also unix based, which is what linux is based on, which is what Ubuntu is based on right? I might be getting it all wrong though.

no, BSD is UNIX... minix was a UNIX-like clone, but did not share any codebase with UNIX. linux was based on minix.

[He Man]

no, BSD is UNIX... minix was a UNIX-like clone, but did not share any codebase with UNIX. linux was based on minix.

AHHHH! Im not sure if i just understood it, it or im more lost now. im still irritated by losing my set of keys. :/

[il d00d]

What i dont like about OSX, this goes hand in hand with Macintosh too so...
...
2) if a program freezes, how the hell are you suppose to force it to shut down? theres no task manager atleast from what i know of.

Just FYI - Command-Option-Esc will bring up that window.

3) what the hell is an apple key? why cant i use ctrl+c to copy, isntead of apple + c. The key is so awkardly placed,  its almost like the alt key. has ANYONE ever used that key? no becasue its not in a friendly position. its kinda like the FN key on a laptop. you have to have a reason to use it, and youd probably have to look at the keyboard to find it. (im a big fan of hotkeys by the way)

4) Ive used macs for about 3 years now (because everywher i go, thats all they have to use) and its still annoying to figure out which key is the minmize, maximize, cross out, and if you minizme it, it dissapears to this bar that could infintely long. and can have an infinite number of items that are grouped in no particular way.

Minimize = command + m
Hide = command + h

I think you are supposed to use the apple key the way the Smurfs use the word Smurf.  It is kind of an all-purpose thing.  When trying to figure out key strokes, I have just guessed a lot of times and done apple + the first letter of the thing I am trying to do.  Most of the time, presto, magic happens.

I agree with you though - I wish there was a system tray in OSX.  A lot of people I know use multiple desktops, but to me, that is just a poor replacement for a good way to run just one.

5) the more you use it the slower it gets. its like a blackberry. needs to be reset ever so often. ive gone almost a month without restarting windows. this includes programing my Rapid bike unit, drawing up things in autocad, photoshop, watching movies etc.

I have had the exact opposite experience - I have had two iBooks running different versions of OSX run for months. I don't think I have ever seen a memory leak on an OSX app I've run.
But if you're comparing it to Unbuntu, Macs tend to prioritize the applications in front of you.  Linux does a little better job keeping background processes from being resource-starved.

Granted when i first started using UBuntu, i had the same issues, but its much more windows like. I tried running Kubuntu since they said its much more windows like and friendly, but it crashed to often.

Those are my reasons. And to top it of, i wouldnt be able to stream to my xbox if i had a mac.

edit: nice chart derby. they never do cross paths. I was always told that linux was derived from Unix systems.

Derby is right - It'd be more accurate to say they share a common architecture, but not a common kernel.  So they were not written from the same source, but the framework is about the same.

I haven't used it but connect360 promises to stream stuff to your xbox.

Most of this stuff sounds like you are on some part of the learning curve with OSX.  If you don't like it for other reasons, you have no reason to commit to it, maybe the same way you committed to Unbuntu.  And it sounds like we have had different experiences - I have been working on OpenSUSE on and off for the last month or so, and it requires a lot more work than OSX.  For me, learning to get around in KDE has been harder than OSX.

Obviously, it comes down to preference.  I am not going to argue that my preference is objectively better than yours, but I can't help pointing out when I think someone is missing out on something cool.

[herm]

i have an original dell restore cd if you wanna give it a try it. It was for my laptop, but it worked on any dell computer i could find. but most of those computers were XP native.


I am using Vista right now. First time. It runs pretty good. 64bit OS though, so somethings dont work right (like autocad). I also have 32bit vista on my moms PC, and it is absolutely HORRIBLE. you NEED 4gb minimum, and you need to shut of certain things to make it run smoothly.

my current machine came with vista ultimate, even though i begged Dell to put XP on instead. the computer has all the power/memory it should need for the OS
Vista crashes about once every other day.
thinking of going with XP professional next time.



and no, i dont need or want a mac

[Jobu]

I don't exactly like Vista, but haven't had as much trouble as most out of it.  Boot times are long and some things take there sweet time opening, but other than that, it has been OK.  I much prefered XP Pro that I had on my old machine for various reasons, but mostly because I new the OS inside and out.

As for Vista, I have tweaked it a lot and disabled some things to clear up the RAM and make it a bit faster and more stable.  And I finally figured out how to disable all those annoying make the beast with two backsing "Are sure you want to open this program" pop-up warnings.

But it seems Microsoft might be throwing in the towel on Vista.  Windows 7 beta is slated to debut very soon.

[He Man]

I dont think im missing out on anything cool by not going to mac. I am a native windows kind of guy and i can not move as fast as i can on windows as i can on mac. On Ubuntu,  its a different story. I use it soley for shits and giggles. it runs great and i love it. but you are right, its just a difference of preference. Im super comfortable using windows, and it does everything i need to, and it does a very good job at it. Going mac is just...not my thing. I see a lot of people going to mac (i mean LOTS) but they all can't do a fraction of what i can do with a PC. Not to say i am like a tech geek or anything, but their user interface is very simple if you are doing simple things. Thats my biggest reason for not liking mac. I cant have 9 windows open and control each of them.

Jobu, PM me. I have something that can speed up the start up/shut down time of your computer. Im not sure if its because im running 64 bit, or what. But my laptop (centrino 2, 2ghz, 4gb ram, 320gb hdd, dedicated 512mb nvidia card) boots up in less than 40 seconds, and shuts down in  about 10 seconds.

i only have 50gbs free since i have a lot of media and programs (mostly for school, AutoCAD, Photoshop, MATLAB). so its not like my computer is completely empty.

if anyone reading this wnats to stop that are you sure you want to use this program bs. just go to start >> run>> msconfig>> tools>> select disable UAC  and click launch. restart. (its annoying as hell)

im intrested in this windows 7 beta...vista is very similar to xp. just nicer widgets. it could be much better (like better 32bit support for 64bit OS)

[the_Journeyman]

Oddly enough, I've had very good luck with Vista.  No problems yet *knocks on wood* granted, I'm only using business & photo applications & internet, not really pushing the OS.

I've no problems with Mac's OS, but most of my current software won't work properly if at all on a Mac ~

JM

[ZLTFUL]

After some very minor tweaks to Vista, I can officially say it is the best OS I have ever used for what *I* do. ANd I have used everything from original Sun Unix to DOS to OSX to Vista and everthing in between. And I was in the "I will never use Vista" camp for a very long time.

If, on the rare occasion I do need a reboot, I have streamlined the boot so that from bios POST to my login screen is 13 seconds. (That's not a typo, 13 seconds). Then when I hit enter after entering my password, I have to wait another excrutiatingly long ~10 seconds to be fully ready to use anything on my computer.

Maybe it's because I don't like to have my hand held when I do things on my computer and have a mind of my own instead of being one of the sheep, but if you can find a Mac based computer that can do the number of processes at the speeds my PC based computer can do, I will happily lick the sweat off of a rapid German Shepard's balls.

And the sad thing...I still have over a grand less invested in this top of the line PC than I would in a top of the line Mac.

That's not to say that Apple does't have it's place in the market. I just think that if you actually use a computer for actually doing computing (heavy math processing, deep encoding, rendering, etc) Macs are definitely not the way to go.

[derby]

Maybe it's because I don't like to have my hand held when I do things on my computer and have a mind of my own instead of being one of the sheep, but if you can find a Mac based computer that can do the number of processes at the speeds my PC based computer can do, I will happily lick the sweat off of a rapid German Shepard's balls.

this i have to see... can you provide a list of processes and do you have a particular german shepherd in mind? 

And the sad thing...I still have over a grand less invested in this top of the line PC than I would in a top of the line Mac.

specs?

That's not to say that Apple does't have it's place in the market. I just think that if you actually use a computer for actually doing computing (heavy math processing, deep encoding, rendering, etc) Macs are definitely not the way to go.

which apple are you referring to, cause the mac pro has taken the "fastest pc alive" crown for quite a few years.

[He Man]

If, on the rare occasion I do need a reboot, I have streamlined the boot so that from bios POST to my login screen is 13 seconds. (That's not a typo, 13 seconds). Then when I hit enter after entering my password, I have to wait another excrutiatingly long ~10 seconds to be fully ready to use anything on my computer.

Thats bloody amazing fast.

I just timed my computer. 43 seconds from the time i hit the power button to a useable desktop. programs that automatically turn on are my finger scanner, AIM, google notifyer, windows sidebar, windows media, bluetooth and wireless.

shut down just ticked 9 seconds. right now from the momment i hit te power to a unlit keyboard.

[Xiphias]

Vista is shit compared to XP and XP is shit compared to UNIX. The models we run where I work take 250 times longer to run on a PC where the OP system is Vista compared to a machine running UNIX.

[Supero100]

Courtesy of XKCD.... http://xkcd.com/528/






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