Custom Painted Ducati Monster by Amandalynn

Started by sugarcrook, January 13, 2009, 02:48:40 PM

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jdubbs32584

Quote from: Scottish on January 14, 2009, 01:28:33 PM
Why do you need to? Does it make you feel big? Why is it so hard to shrug your shoulders and go to the next thread?

Everybody expresses their opinions about everything. If people didn't criticize, you'd never know what the customer likes or wants. Everybody has a right to express their opinion so don't tell us not too. You don't want opinions on your work, don't put it out there.

The opinions in this thread weren't mean spirited or anything, in fact there have been some that have been positive. Should the artist only get positive feedback?

Theres no need to get defensive or rude. No I do not feel "big" when I criticize something. I see it as an opportunity for an artist to learn more about their customers.

hyphen

Quote from: Scottish on January 14, 2009, 01:18:28 PM
I didn't say I couldn't handle it... I grow weary of people with no imagination or ablity to do anything any better feeling free to critique those who do, do something. I rarely recieve criticism for my personal work and truthfully I'm harder on myself than anyone else would be anyway... and those pics don't really show good enough detail for you to ascertain the quality of it anyway. You wouldn't take that job on 4 days? Good for you, someone else took a risk, someone else tryed to pull it off and probably knew it would be a challenge. Personally I think it's cool, I like what it creates... bottom line if you don't have anything nice to say, there's no need to comment at all is there? There's no quota here, you won't be deactivated for failing to comment on every thread. Better yet, do something yourself, lets see your best shot. To sit on a basically stock looking Monster and be poohoo someone elses work is lame.

lol.  cool, she took on a challenge and produced something that a lot of people don't like.  is that a mission accomplished?  i'm not a custom painter so i won't try.  her worst is better than my best by way of execution.  and quality/execution does not equate to an aesthetically pleasing piece.  and i can see enough from the couple photos that it isn't a paint job that i like, or one that a lot of other people don't like, end of story.  the fact of the matter is, if you work as a production artist with any medium, be it vehicle body paint, tattooing, music, or digital media, you have to brace yourself for critiques and criticism.  and i can tell you aren't a professional based on your reaction.

millions of people will see my art work and it could potentially be seen on television, in magazines and on websites.  because of that not everyone will like my stuff.  tough shit for me, i don't care.  not everyone likes her stuff, but i'm sure there are guys like you that will like it "just because it's different."  i'm not one of those people.  you could polish up a turd and use it as a gas tank on a 1098R.  that doesn't mean i'm going to go ooh and aah over it because it's different.

and oooh, people with stock looking monsters can't have opinions.  i'm sorry to have upset you mr. artist.

Scottish

Quote from: JBubble on January 14, 2009, 01:33:21 PM
Everybody expresses their opinions about everything. If people didn't criticize, you'd never know what the customer likes or wants. Everybody has a right to express their opinion so don't tell us not too. You don't want opinions on your work, don't put it out there.

The opinions in this thread weren't mean spirited or anything, in fact there have been some that have been positive. Should the artist only get positive feedback?

Theres no need to get defensive or rude. No I do not feel "big" when I criticize something. I see it as an opportunity for an artist to learn more about their customers.
Rude, me? Because I mentioned the oldie, goldie "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all"? Hmmmm.. figure that one out?  ??? It's not just this bike... it's every damn time someone goes through the work of making their bike special and unique a preponderance of members here start tearing it down.....
examples.
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=16143.0;topicseen
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=15363.0
those are just recent examples.... remember the tiger bike? That one was part of a huge broohah on TOB.... ffs everyone here picks on anything different to the point that it's become an accepted meanness. All you that raise a fit if someone says retard or gay, and yet you feel it's acceptable to thrash someones very ideas. The very things that make them who they are. If they need to know what their customers want perhaps they can get that from their customers... ie the people who paid them for the project(as in the two above posts, one posted by the artist and one by the customer themself).



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It's called purism, and it's the reason they don't sell them looking like that stock (they could, you know). :P

edit: maybe you identify with these guys...



Scottish

Quote from: hyphen on January 14, 2009, 01:42:04 PM
......

and oooh, people with stock looking monsters can't have opinions.  ....
No, but if you could show something at least as good it would lend credit to your arguement and critique. I think part of the reason it bugs me is because you sit safetly behind your keyboard, posting anonymous criticisms, of those who've exposed themselves to you, while you take no risks. Offer yourselves up to the criticisms of strangers before taking justices with their works. Your position requires no courage, theirs did, at least acknowledge and respect that.

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hyphen

Quote from: Scottish on January 14, 2009, 02:10:15 PM
No, but if you could show something at least as good it would lend credit to your arguement and critique. I think part of the reason it bugs me is because you sit safetly behind your keyboard, posting anonymous criticisms, of those who've exposed themselves to you, while you take no risks. Offer yourselves up to the criticisms of strangers before taking justices with their works. Your position requires no courage, theirs did, at least acknowledge and respect that.

let me reiterate.  take this less as bragging and more about getting some facts out there.  our last game sold about 14 million copies and won MANY awards and was the #1 most played title on xbox live for many many months (it's still #3 over a year later).  it was nationally televised, is used in national gaming tournaments, was posted on many large web sites, and published in numerous magazines and has received plugs on shows like family guy, late night with conan obrien and 30 rock.  the next game is also expected to do very well.  that means i put myself out there to millions of people every day.  not only that but we're put under scrutiny of ruthless game critics, so don't talk to me about courage.

second, i don't know if you just post without reading or you just have zero comprehension but there's not one person in this thread that's disputing her technical ability.  i've already browsed her web site and by personally knowing 2 air brushers i know that painting and body work requires quite a bit of dexterity and skill.  no one's knocking her ability as an artist, you're just getting rocks off on that notion.  thinking that a piece isn't their style is not an attack on the artist's abilities.  so get your shit straight.


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TiAvenger

Quote from: Scottish on January 14, 2009, 02:10:15 PM
No, but if you could show something at least as good it would lend credit to your arguement and critique. I think part of the reason it bugs me is because you sit safetly behind your keyboard, posting anonymous criticisms, of those who've exposed themselves to you, while you take no risks. Offer yourselves up to the criticisms of strangers before taking justices with their works. Your position requires no courage, theirs did, at least acknowledge and respect that.

Ah, the classic hide behind the computer screen argument. Been a while since I've seen this one. :P

Having the first negative post in one of the threads you posted (the Hyperdevil) I have something to say about it.

We as enthusiast are going to comment about someone's work.  They post, we respond.  I have had negative comments about my bike in the past, and I like to hear it.  It gives me a new perspective on my work, and strives me to be better in the future.  I dont care if they have bone stock bikes, or  a show winner. You can hate my bike, tell me it sucks, and through that I may find something I can improve on my next go round.  In the end, you have to be happy with your work, and to hell with what anyone says. You CANNOT be thin skinned as an artist, because someone will ALWAYS dislike something you do.  You cant please them all.

:-\

jdubbs32584

Quote from: Court-Jester on January 14, 2009, 02:35:08 PM
Ah, the classic hide behind the computer screen argument. Been a while since I've seen this one. :P

Having the first negative post in one of the threads you posted (the Hyperdevil) I have something to say about it.

We as enthusiast are going to comment about someone's work.  They post, we respond.  I have had negative comments about my bike in the past, and I like to hear it.  It gives me a new perspective on my work, and strives me to be better in the future.  I dont care if they have bone stock bikes, or  a show winner. You can hate my bike, tell me it sucks, and through that I may find something I can improve on my next go round.  In the end, you have to be happy with your work, and to hell with what anyone says. You CANNOT be thin skinned as an artist, because someone will ALWAYS dislike something you do.  You cant please them all.

:-\


Exactly.

Don't put your stuff out there and expect everybody to love it or not express their opinions. That's part of being an artist, the public is gonna comment ESPECIALLY if its for a challenge.

And there's plenty of opportunity to comment on bikes. Go to the Bikes of the DMF thread and you'll see.

Grampa

Quote from: JBubble on January 14, 2009, 02:42:12 PM
Exactly.

Don't put your stuff out there and expect everybody to love it or not express their opinions. That's part of being an artist, the public is gonna comment ESPECIALLY if its for a challenge.

And there's plenty of opportunity to comment on bikes. Go to the Bikes of the DMF thread and you'll see.

which Is why there are no nude pics of me on the interwebz

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Gaspar, Melchior and Balthasar kicked me out of the band..... they said I didnt fit the image they were trying to project. 

So I went solo.  -Me

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jdubbs32584

Quote from: bobspapa on January 14, 2009, 03:16:34 PM
which Is why there are no nude pics of me on the interwebz

I would cry..... lots

[laugh]

me too hon  [thumbsup]

ducatiz

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Quote from: Scottish on January 14, 2009, 01:28:33 PM
Why do you need to? Does it make you feel big? Why is it so hard to shrug your shoulders and go to the next thread?

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Scottish

My bad, I forgot I'm an asshole.... you're right the bike's the ugliest thing I've ever seen.... I'm gonna write the artist to make sure she knows. She sucks, I suck, we all suck so no point in being nice to one another.
Quote from: Court-Jester on January 14, 2009, 02:35:08 PM
Ah, the classic hide behind the computer screen argument. Been a while since I've seen this one. :P

Having the first negative post in one of the threads you posted (the Hyperdevil) I have something to say about it.

We as enthusiast are going to comment about someone's work.  They post, we respond.  I have had negative comments about my bike in the past, and I like to hear it.  It gives me a new perspective on my work, and strives me to be better in the future.  I dont care if they have bone stock bikes, or  a show winner. You can hate my bike, tell me it sucks, and through that I may find something I can improve on my next go round.  In the end, you have to be happy with your work, and to hell with what anyone says. You CANNOT be thin skinned as an artist, because someone will ALWAYS dislike something you do.  You cant please them all.

:-\

and you are missing the point as the others have as well. The point is "Why is there so much(in general, not just here with this bike) negativity levelled at anyone who takes their bike to the next level? I'm on a fair number of forums and this one is consistantly the most negative towards modifications(outside the excepted norms of a tailchop and CF).... I have a personal pet theory that this is due to a sense of elitist, snobbery that tends to run strong in a lot Duc people, that their shit don't stink and there is no other brand. People that love them cause they are shiny, red and italian.
That is all, I'm leaving this conversation, I'm not gonna change your minds and your pissing me off by making me sound like a overly sensative prick.  >:(

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TiAvenger

I think you miss the point, we hate because we love.

In the end its just a stoopid motorcycle.... not worth getting angry about.  The comment that hurt me the most (way to go Stu  [laugh]) was simply trying to help me improve my bike and skills more.  It was meant in the best intentions.

The criticism taught me more than any praise I've received, and Im thankful for it.


ducatiz

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"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.