Oils ain't Oils, which oil to use?

[CairnsDuc]

Does anyone know of anybody selling decent oil online, the local dealers up here are charging a insane amount of money for motorbike oils, I went to my dealer for a bottle of Shell ultra and he said $90

Told him to get bent and walked out (and have never returned)

Does Supercheap normally sell a decent range of Motorbike oils?
I have read in one of the bike Mags that they were going to expand there range of oils and liquids to suit motorbikes.
And I assume the Mobil 1 that you are referring to is a motorbike oil and not just normal old Mobil 1?

[Spider]

TV show for 2009:

Paul (Loony888) and Cairnsduc: reality TV

Paul and Cairns get married and tour Australia. Watch as these two highly explosive larakins destroy shop owners and each other with their volatile nature!

 


now, onto serious broadcasting:

Amsoil

(03) 9749 0700

they can (if you wish) supply fuel filters for about $12 - $15, think oil was about $65....and the oil is brilliant. They deliver to your door, you don't have to abuse anyone or crack it at all!

I'm interested in that Scotts stainless filter though...sounds good....it ain't shiny on the outside is it? I hate shiny.

[bazz20]

i dont know what all the fuss is about just get mobil one and it dosent have to be bike mobil 1, its better oil than anything on offer and better than so called  bike specific oil , but dont take my word read what the late george on the old forum had to say , and george was an highly respected oil engineer and on top of all that on all test carried out by labs mobil 1 exceeded in all areas , but the bottom line is its cheaper , available any where , you can get in the right weight , but every body carry,s on about oil when most people are killing there engines running dp, or kn air filters which let twice as much dirt into there engines than the standard air filters , dont believe me have an oil test done and see how much silika there is thats just a fancy name for dirt , but those that are lucky enough to be able to get fancy bike oils go for it , but others like my self were it not stocked just run a good quality synthetic oil in the right weight , and more importantly change it yearly 

[Spider]

ah, Bazz, some bloke from tasmania asked me the other week about my DP/K&N air filter...had a name...ah....rhymed with Jazz....ah...Fazz...

yeah, that's it, a bloke named Fazz from Tassie wanted to buy my DP filter a week ago...

obviously you steered him straight with the Silika talk....where'd you find out about this?

 

(the cold/flu/silika medication definitely hasn't altered my smart-arse-ness!)

[loony888]

i dont know what all the fuss is about just get mobil one and it dosent have to be bike mobil 1, its better oil than anything on offer and better than so called  bike specific oil , but dont take my word read what the late george on the old forum had to say , and george was an highly respected oil engineer and on top of all that on all test carried out by labs mobil 1 exceeded in all areas , but the bottom line is its cheaper , available any where , you can get in the right weight , but every body carry,s on about oil when most people are killing there engines running dp, or kn air filters which let twice as much dirt into there engines than the standard air filters , dont believe me have an oil test done and see how much silika there is thats just a fancy name for dirt , but those that are lucky enough to be able to get fancy bike oils go for it , but others like my self were it not stocked just run a good quality synthetic oil in the right weight , and more importantly change it yearly 

gotta disagree there bazz, mobil1 is a good oil yes, but you really have to use the bike specific one, the car oil won't cope with the gearbox, and the constant mesh type assembly will ruin the shear strength of the oil prematurely, degraded shear strength greatly increases the risk of metal to metal contact in plain bearings, and that is what causes them to pick up and spin, reducing an expensive bottom end to scrap. yeah sure the reports give it a big wrap but i'll bet dollars to donuts they didn't test a car oil in a bike. use the right oil for the application, especially if choosing a decent brand made by an OIL CO. and you won't go wrong.


paul.

[loony888]

Paul,

I'm running a Scotts Stainless Oil Filter - it has worked well to date (about 2yrs/40K).

 I'm curious why you would not consider one. Their performance data gives an improvement on the filtering range (an abolute 35 micron barrier) and greater oil flow than from paper filters.  It's know some of that improvement may be manipulated stats but I do value being able to see what is in the filter upon opening and cleaning, knowing I have a clean filter on every change (at no cost) and the use of the additional magnet in the filter unit. I also like the environmental benefit of not having to dispose of paper filters to landfill all the time. It even looks good. Only thing I've found is that it needs to be tightened a little more than a stock filter - I binned their supplied filter spanner as it was too snug between the header pipe and the filter and use a small strap wrench instead. Interested to hear what I'm missing.

Rgds, John

g,day john, i'm not familiar with the scotts filter, but from my experience with aftermarket filters like fram and the like they're not much cheaper than a genuine one and i trust genuine parts, especially when it comes to the most important system in an engine, over aftermarket. they're built to factory specifications and the only people who really know what their engine requires is ducati, add to that the fact that they warrant their performance in a new bike and aftermarket stuff leaves you out in the cold if anything goes wrong. I know once the bike is out of warranty there's little chance of back up but it's the same filter they do back so it should work best. the scotts filter range down to 35 microns is a lot less than a genuine filter which typically filters down to the 8 to 10 micron range, that may explain the higher flow rate but really, the lubrication system is designed as a unit and the filter is taken into consideration when oil pumps and bypass valves are designed so flow shouldn't really be an issue. the magnet may pick up swarf and other foreign metallic objects but the secondary screen tube should and does capture them too.
Landfill eh? here we go!!! you drop 4 litres of oil out and you're worried about an 8cubic centimetre block of paper and steel? i dunno, i'm no hippie or greenie, i pay the govt. to worry about that shit but if i had my say disposable nappies would be banned world wide immediately.
look here for a more technical explanation than mine if you like.
http://www.synlube.com/oilfilters.htm


paul.
p.s, not rubbishing anyones choice, we all have our own opinions on our pride and joy, but i was asked so i've explained the best i can.
cheers

[BribieDuc]

Thanks Paul - appreciate the explanation.  Good site. 

 I occasionally see a Monster on my way home (Northside) with 888 in its rego - is that you?

John


PS. For those who asked - brought online direct from the Scotts website. From memory, it was priced okay given the exchange rate of the day but I used a friend visiting the US to bring it to Oz due to their high shipping charges.  As I change my oil every 3 weeks (approx 2,000 km), it has paid for itself quickly. It was sort of shiny at first but dulls very fast. first noticed them on Industrial Girl's duc.

[loony888]

nah, mine is silver with blue wheels and stripe, i have a 888 as well, hence the name.

i can certainly understand the desire for a reusable filter if you do nearly 700klms a week!!! well done for keeping the maintenance up to the girl!! i have a mate with a 900SS that has 140,000 klms on it and the heads haven't been off it, he's as methodical about changes as you are!!!!!

paul.

[bazz20]

gotta disagree there bazz, mobil1 is a good oil yes, but you really have to use the bike specific one, the car oil won't cope with the gearbox, and the constant mesh type assembly will ruin the shear strength of the oil prematurely, degraded shear strength greatly increases the risk of metal to metal contact in plain bearings, and that is what causes them to pick up and spin, reducing an expensive bottom end to scrap. yeah sure the reports give it a big wrap but i'll bet dollars to donuts they didn't test a car oil in a bike. use the right oil for the application, especially if choosing a decent brand made by an OIL CO. and you won't go wrong.


paul.

thats fine paul and i accept what your saying and agree 100% ABOUT oil filter if they dont have by pass valve , the magets ive tested do work they hold the finer metel bits that do get passed through the oil filter as for oil most synthetics exceed ducati specs anyway and as george and a couple of chemist proved it was the synthetic   base that was more important as shear was concerned than rather than additives and if the oil was changed yearly there shouldnt be any break down but you have your merits and i dont want sound like im arguing with you paul you have been in this game a long time and i respect that and like i said earlier people are hurting there motors more in other ways and out here trying to get hold of bike oil in the right wait is sometimes  near  impossible cheers bazz

[brimo]

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Landfill eh? here we go!!! you drop 4 litres of oil out and you're worried about an 8cubic centimetre block of paper and steel? i dunno, i'm no hippie or greenie, i pay the govt. to worry about that shit but if i had my say disposable nappies would be banned world wide immediately.
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I hope everyone is doing the right thing with their used oil
http://recyclingnearyou.com.au/motor-oil
as for disposable nappies, well that's a whole new debate....
....just think of the hot water usage and chemicals used in the wash...
by the way, nice pun too Paul

[Super T.I.B]

I hope everyone is doing the right thing with their used oil
http://recyclingnearyou.com.au/motor-oil
as for disposable nappies, well that's a whole new debate....
....just think of the hot water usage and chemicals used in the wash...
by the way, nice pun too Paul

What? I gotta stop pouring it down the drain now!

That's pderbyerous! 

[Dockstrada]

I'm lucky enough to have an recycling depot next door,How good is that