The 1911 thread

[cyrus buelton]

Not for me.  Good luck with it, though.  I would rather disengage a safety (smaller motion) than rack a slide (larger motion which can affect your sight picture).

Part of owning a shotgun is the intimidation factor, at least that is my opinion.

I would rather scare some punk kid off with racking the slide then to shoot someone.

[Sinister]

Part of owning a shotgun is the intimidation factor

In my view, I own guns for one reason: To kill when the need arises.  Period.  Whether it's a deer, a duck, or some Meth'd up dirtbag trying to steal my television or mug my wife.

Planning to "intimidate" may just get you dead.

[cyrus buelton]

Planning to "intimidate" may just get you dead.

You are taking the word out of context.

I would rather someone be intimidated in my house by the shot gun racking then by shooting them.

[Sinister]

Best of luck with that. co::

[cyrus buelton]

Best of luck with that. co::

Gracias

It isn't like I am clearing my house for the Perp.

Safe spot in the bedroom and wait to see if they are dumb enough to enter

[ducducgooseme]

Thats how I keep all my guns.  Sure, its not as fast as just pulling the trigger...but with enough practice, it really becomes second nature to merely slide the slide back and boom.

[Manny]

it's called an Israeli Draw. it has been shown that with proper training and practice it can be about as fast as cocked and locked draw. timed from a holster, not from a bedside table, but you get the idea.

to each his own. what's more important, imho, is that you feel comfortable with the weapon and are reasonably proficient. being prepared to do what may unfortunately necessary is also important, as hesitation could be fatal in that situation.

[oldjackbob]

Cruiser Ready = hammer down on empty chamber, magazine full, slide unlocked, safety off.

rack and fire.

Gotta agree.  My carry gun is a Browning Hi-Power, 9mm...I carry it on an empty chamber, so I positively know it's not capable of hurting anyone until it's racked.

Some may argue that jacking a round into the chamber takes time -- only takes a fraction of a second.

Some may argue that jacking a round takes two hands -- that's true, but if I don't have both hands available, then my situational awareness has failed me, in which case I may well have neither hand available.

In any case, I've just decided I'm more comfortable carrying on an empty chamber, and I still feel a helluva lot safer than if I weren't carrying at all.

My $.02, thanks.

[Statler]

with a 1911 in condition one it will at least go bang one time no matter what.

No matter how fast you get at racking the slide to chamber a round if you carry with the chamber empty, there is allways the chance of something going wrong.

clear, tap, rack, fumble fumble, bang takes a while.

[ducatiz]

with a 1911 in condition one it will at least go bang one time no matter what.

No matter how fast you get at racking the slide to chamber a round if you carry with the chamber empty, there is allways the chance of something going wrong.

clear, tap, rack, fumble fumble, bang takes a while.

don't forget...

"first, i put on my reading glasses..."

[Bun-bun]

OR. . .
Just ditch the century old technology, and pick up an H&K P-7.
Yeah, it's a nine mil, and it'll only blow a 1/2" hole in 'em, not a full 1" hole,  but I can carry with it chambered, throw it against a wall(not that I would), have a 4 year old pick it up and play with it(Again, not that I would.), and it will NEVER go off unless the grip is squeezed.
Let the mud throwing commence.
Jeff

[Sgt_H]

Guns Rock.

I was in the shop the other day looking at all the goodies.  They are making some nice M-4 clones now.  Post ban they're as small as what the military gets.  At least regular military.  I didn't get one because I have no home defense use for it but it was tempting.  They had a nice tactical 870 too.  That, I may go back and get.

The keep a round chambered debate is circular.  Nobody will ever convince the other side.  Do what you're comfortable with and hope for the best.  I don't keep a round chambered because the wife is still iffy around guns.  Much better than she was, but still not comfortable.  Even then, I've cleared my house more than once.  I didn't *really* think that someone was there, but I figured better safe than go back to bed and hope for the best.

[ducatiz]

OR. . .
Just ditch the century old technology, and pick up an H&K P-7.
Yeah, it's a nine mil, and it'll only blow a 1/2" hole in 'em, not a full 1" hole,  but I can carry with it chambered, throw it against a wall(not that I would), have a 4 year old pick it up and play with it(Again, not that I would.), and it will NEVER go off unless the grip is squeezed.
Let the mud throwing commence.
Jeff

no mud throwing, but the P7 simply isn't a fantastic gun in my book -- 99% of semi-autos made today will not misfire if chambered and thrown against a wall due to firing pin safeties, and if your 4 year old has access to your firearm, i would worry less about him shooting it and more about him taking some cartridges outside and banging on them with a hammer (which my cousin did as a kid and still has hearing loss -- about 80% in his right ear).

the P7 was designed to satisfy critics of the fact that german police in some areas did not have appropriate training in gun handling.  that's why once it was established they were reasonably trained, the gun was no longer used by those cops and HK has struggled with its sales. 

German gun laws make it unpopular too.  THe most popular guns in Germany are the ones that allow you to swap calibers easily, so you can have several guns to shoot.  So the 1911 and Glock are very popular since both have easy to swap barrel/magazine options, as is the German made Korth with 4 calibers swappable on the fly.  HK has only offered the P7M13 with a swappable barrel.

Either way, it's an interesting design, but far too expensive for what it offers.  Moreover, you have little or no aftermarket support, so you are stuck with the factory.

That all being said, if you're happy with it, then great.  Shoot it often and buy plenty of magazines and spare parts as they will probably stop making them in the next 2-3 years since the metal work is very complicated.  Word is that they've already ramped production down to 500 frames per year due to the glut of unsold models and the general preference for polymer guns nowadays (except for the 1911 and CZ)

[ducatiz]

Guns Rock.

I was in the shop the other day looking at all the goodies.  They are making some nice M-4 clones now.  Post ban they're as small as what the military gets.  At least regular military.  I didn't get one because I have no home defense use for it but it was tempting.  They had a nice tactical 870 too.  That, I may go back and get

i have a "real" M4 -- a registered SBR, the whole bit, but it is semi, not full.  i like the idea of it more than i like it.  i just don't shoot it much, it is a real pea shooter -- i enjoy shooting bigger rounds too much.

it is pretty impressive small a 12" barreled AR with a retractable stock can be.  i can't imagine what they feel like in burst or full auto without a forward pistol grip, which is prob why every fielded M4 I've seen has one. 

the only reason i went through the hassle of getting an SBR that wasn't full was because it was offered to me cheap and the dealer who had the gun did all the paperwork for me for free to get rid of the gun (which was not selling) so i got it at cost for the gun.

[fastwin]

1911s! wt: Love 'em, raised on 'em. My Wilsons and Les Baers are bullet firing versions of my Ducatis... oh, and add several old massaged Series 70 Colts in there too!