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ducatiz

#300
January 20, 2010, 02:23:38 AM Last Edit: January 20, 2010, 02:25:41 AM by ducatiz
I will be the naysayer on the "mag problems are most feed issues" truism.

I have USGI mags, aftermarket (like John Masens) and a bunch of cheapo Norincos.

The Norincos seem to work the best, and the USGI ones second.

My feeling is that they are made the same USGI were -- machine pressed, hand finished and then tested by "Rosie the Riveter" in a bunch of model frames for function.

The reason USGI ones work so well is they've been weeded out - the bad ones long gone.

the 1911 was made to shoot ball ammo only.  there is no feed ramp to speak of, not at least from a modern perspective.  If your pistol has one, it's an afterthought unless they've really redesigned the entire barrel and link.

everyone with feed problems, try some plain old ball rounds.  i bet your feed/eject problems disappear.
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Speedbag

#301
April 06, 2010, 04:25:09 AM
Anybody got any FHE with the Ballester Molina .45s? A buddy has one to sell.

(Yeah, not technically a 1911, but....)
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zooom

#302
April 06, 2010, 04:38:37 AM
as far as feed problems, the only time I had one was with a mag that had a worn out spring( because I have 2 mags that I left generally loaded for home defense and would unload the Black Talon's I had in em and go shoot regular jacketed ammo)...otherwise I use the Shooting Star mags and have had no problem with feeds...so I agree with ducatiz about checking your ammo generally speaking.
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junior varsity

#303
April 06, 2010, 04:47:40 AM
i agree with ball ammo and would like to add in that all a person really needs for purposes of self defense is ball ammo, not the crazy, snake-oil new-fangled personal defense rounds. I think a lot of hype there ignores the fact that even ball ammo that's nearly a half-inch around is going to make a big hole. Compared with a hollow point of a smaller caliber, its close.

zooom

#304
April 06, 2010, 05:07:04 AM
Quote from: a m on April 06, 2010, 04:47:40 AM
i agree with ball ammo and would like to add in that all a person really needs for purposes of self defense is ball ammo, not the crazy, snake-oil new-fangled personal defense rounds. I think a lot of hype there ignores the fact that even ball ammo that's nearly a half-inch around is going to make a big hole. Compared with a hollow point of a smaller caliber, its close.

what? you don't like the hollow points that you fill with mercury and then wax seal?...J/K!!!

generally I agree as far as regular jacketed ammo should make enough damage to a person to make the point...just ask the Moro Philippine Army....there are always special cases and circumstances for which I would want to be caught with my pants down unprepared.
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triangleforge

#305
April 06, 2010, 06:35:57 AM
Quote from: zooom on April 06, 2010, 05:07:04 AM
there are always special cases and circumstances for which I would want to be caught with my pants down unprepared.

Just picking a nit -- I think you meant "wouldn't," but it's not my place to judge....
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Monsterlover

#306
April 06, 2010, 06:53:06 AM
My feed problems are gone.

The issue was the mag.

I borrowed a couple wilson combats from a friend of mine and they fed SWC's just fine all night.  My mag had a fail to feed about every time i used it.

I can't switch to hardball, at least during the winter, because i can't shoot those in the indoor range (lead only and under 850fps)
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ducatiz

#307
April 06, 2010, 07:25:20 AM
hardball?  what is hardball? 

"Ball" ammo means generic FMJ rounds.

Quote from: Monsterlover on April 06, 2010, 06:53:06 AMI can't switch to hardball, at least during the winter, because i can't shoot those in the indoor range (lead only and under 850fps)

lead only?  i've heard of ranges banning lead only rounds (FMJ ok, but not plain (unjacketed) LRN -- lead round nose)
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Monsterlover

#308
April 06, 2010, 07:28:46 AM
Hardball is ball ammo.  Like 5 of the books I got from the library on 1911's referred to FMJ as hardball.

<shrug>

Apparently the plate in their bullet trap won't stop a jacketed round.

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ducatiz

#309
April 06, 2010, 09:43:17 AM Last Edit: April 06, 2010, 09:49:35 AM by ducatiz
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 06, 2010, 07:28:46 AM
Hardball is ball ammo.  Like 5 of the books I got from the library on 1911's referred to FMJ as hardball.

<shrug>

Apparently the plate in their bullet trap won't stop a jacketed round.

i would be suspicious of those books.  ball ammo is fmj.  pick up one of those WW2 spam cans of .45ACP and it says "CAL .45 BALL" on it..  all FMJ corrosive rounds:



rifle ammo too:



"hardball" is just a slang term as far as I can find anything thru google just now. 

unjacketed lead rounds are called LRN or lead, round nose.

but again, i am surprised they would ban fmj rounds.  pistol FMJ won't pierce most NRA-spec backstops for indoor ranges (most = all) and there is less problem with lead contamination.  moreover, LRN is not recommended for any barrel with polygonal rifling, such as the (absurdly common) Glock and the HK USP family of pistols (I think all of HK's are now polygonal)..  A rule like that would mean no one can use a Glock with a factory barrel at that range!
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zooom

#310
April 06, 2010, 09:45:34 AM
Quote from: triangleforge on April 06, 2010, 06:35:57 AM
Just picking a nit -- I think you meant "wouldn't," but it's not my place to judge....
;D


yes...thank you for the correction....
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Monsterlover

#311
April 06, 2010, 09:56:49 AM
tiz, you're right.

the glock guys stay out. . .
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ducatiz

#312
April 06, 2010, 10:04:53 AM
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 06, 2010, 09:56:49 AM
tiz, you're right.

the glock guys stay out. . .

there are plenty of aftermarket barrels for Glocks with button rifling.  I have one, I think I got it from LoneWolf or Glockmeister.  It's stainless with the fun muzzle threads.  Seems to shed heat faster.  I've used LRN with it, much to the annoyance of bystanders who don't know those barrels are available...

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Monsterlover

#313
April 06, 2010, 10:06:12 AM
im kind of a newb at this, but why would they be annoyed?

Or they think you're abusing a stock barrel?
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ducatiz

#314
April 06, 2010, 10:41:45 AM
Quote from: Monsterlover on April 06, 2010, 10:06:12 AM
im kind of a newb at this, but why would they be annoyed?

Or they think you're abusing a stock barrel?

Many gun owners (including myself) tend towards being pedantic.  Some even knowitalls.  I am still learning stuff every day, so I try to keep an open mind, even after growing up shooting and serving abroad.

So yes abusing a stock barrel and maybe about to cause a "kaboom" in a pistol known for such things.

the only kaboom i've ever had was in a POS called an AP-9.  i was trying it out at a range for a vanity purchase.  the owner gave me some Spanish milsurp 9mm and >boom!< that was the end of that POS.

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