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Monsterlover

#330
April 07, 2010, 04:26:19 AM Last Edit: April 07, 2010, 04:28:12 AM by Monsterlover
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

ducatiz

#331
April 07, 2010, 04:57:43 AM
Quote from: ducpainter on April 06, 2010, 06:49:40 PM
won't a bore cleaning solvent take care of that?

no.  significant lead fouling is not removed with most regular solvents like hoppe's #9 or similar.  hoppe's will remove light fouling though.

you have to use a specific lead remover.  and then you have the toxic handling on top of it -- solublized lead.  there is a brand of patches that remove lead and hold it to the patch, i forgot the name offhand.  cut a piece off and shove it down the barrel, patch comes out blue-black.  but it depends on how much.

lead rounds thru a polygonal barrel isn't just an issue of fouling, the lead will actually shear off in the barrel.  i don't understand the exact reasons, but every maker of polygonal barrels absolutely forbids it on safety grounds.

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Speedbag

#332
April 07, 2010, 06:19:37 AM
He's looking for $300.
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Monsterlover

#333
April 07, 2010, 06:24:20 AM
Price is right if it doesn't look like it's been buried for the last 50 years.
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zooom

#334
April 07, 2010, 06:24:41 AM
Quote from: Speedbag on April 07, 2010, 06:19:37 AM
He's looking for $300.

test fire it then!
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Speedbag

#335
April 07, 2010, 06:51:52 AM
That's the plan!

Could use new grips, but has been re-blued.

Just didn't know what they were worth, couldn't find them in Blue Books...
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ducpainter

#336
April 07, 2010, 04:30:18 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on April 07, 2010, 04:57:43 AM
no.  significant lead fouling is not removed with most regular solvents like hoppe's #9 or similar.  hoppe's will remove light fouling though.

<snip>

I wasn't thinking Hoppes....

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ducatiz

#337
April 07, 2010, 04:35:53 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on April 07, 2010, 04:30:18 PM
I wasn't thinking Hoppes....

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=838837

use the "Cowboy Blend" version of X-treme.  That's my point, the standard bore solvents don't cut lead.  Hoppe's has a special lead version as does Montana X-Treme.

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ducpainter

#338
April 07, 2010, 04:38:14 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on April 07, 2010, 04:35:53 PM
use the "Cowboy Blend" version of X-treme.  That's my point, the standard bore solvents don't cut lead.  Hoppe's has a special lead version as does Montana X-Treme.


Dunno...

It says all fouling in the description.

Maybe they don't mean it. ???
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junior varsity

#339
April 07, 2010, 04:40:41 PM
i dunno either way, but I enjoy cleaning guns, because its available to do when there's no money for ammo, and the solvents smell good. Real good.

ducatiz

#340
April 07, 2010, 04:50:00 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on April 07, 2010, 04:38:14 PM
Dunno...

It says all fouling in the description.

Maybe they don't mean it. ???

they lie.

no really.  most rounds fired are jacketed, so the only fouling you have to worry about is copper and powder.  you get a little lead but not enough to worry about short term.

only cranks who fire LRN or wadcutters need to worry about lead fouling. 

lead actually lubricates the barrel a little.  you don't need to have a 100% lead free barrel.  too much is bad tho.

Quote from: a m on April 07, 2010, 04:40:41 PM
i dunno either way, but I enjoy cleaning guns, because its available to do when there's no money for ammo, and the solvents smell good. Real good.

yeah, i was really sad when they came out with water soluble bore cleaners... 
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ducpainter

#341
April 07, 2010, 04:54:34 PM
Quote from: ducatiz on April 07, 2010, 04:50:00 PM
they lie.

no really.  most rounds fired are jacketed, so the only fouling you have to worry about is copper and powder.  you get a little lead but not enough to worry about short term.

only cranks who fire LRN or wadcutters need to worry about lead fouling. 

lead actually lubricates the barrel a little.  you don't need to have a 100% lead free barrel.  too much is bad tho.

yeah, i was really sad when they came out with water soluble bore cleaners... 
I use lead rounds in my 22...

and that montana solvent seemed to do a pretty good job.

The 223 uses jacketed, which is actually what I bought the stuff for. ;D
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 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
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    is even more amazing than yours."
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    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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ducatiz

#342
April 07, 2010, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on April 07, 2010, 04:54:34 PM
I use lead rounds in my 22...

and that montana solvent seemed to do a pretty good job.

The 223 uses jacketed, which is actually what I bought the stuff for. ;D

22 LRN is a scant buildup.  i wouldn't worry about lead buildup in a 22 at all.  maybe de-lead it once every 5000 rounds?

the rifling in a 22 barrel is pretty shallow compared to say 8mm mauser or 45 acp.  barrel doesn't force the projectile in as deep and not as much residue is left. 
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zooom

#343
April 08, 2010, 02:23:54 AM
Quote from: ducatiz on April 07, 2010, 04:50:00 PM
   most rounds fired are jacketed, so the only fouling you have to worry about is copper and powder.  you get a little lead but not enough to worry about short term.

only cranks who fire LRN or wadcutters need to worry about lead fouling. 

so are you calling me a crank for having a perfectly functional lever action Marlin that shoots non jacketed lead .35 Rem rounds? ( I wasn't even going to mention my Henry Golden Boy lever action .22lr)
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ducatiz

#344
April 08, 2010, 02:31:31 AM
Quote from: zooom on April 08, 2010, 02:23:54 AM
so are you calling me a crank for having a perfectly functional lever action Marlin that shoots non jacketed lead .35 Rem rounds? ( I wasn't even going to mention my Henry Golden Boy lever action .22lr)

the fact that you have .35 rem sitting around means you're a crank..  ;D

i have Arisaka and Nambu handloads... I guess I am one too.. ;D
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