Unemployment

[DoubleEagle]

I have to say that I have never heard a more asinine comment in the time I have spent here and on the DML.

Prove me wrong .. Please !    Dolph

[DoubleEagle]

I have worked for the government for almost 15 years now. I hardly feel that military personnel don't do anything for the economy...

I have three cousins that are in the Navy. One is on a Sub as we speak. One is retired Naval Intelligence and the other Xrays welds.

I am very proud of their service and contribution to our Country and Economy .....but they did  / are not contributing  to the GDP.


The private sector produces "stuff ." The Gov. provides " services ."  Services do not contribute to the GDP .   Dolph

[NAKID]

  I have three cousins that are in the Navy. One is on a Sub as we speak. One is retired Naval Intelligence and the other I'm not sure of his job.

I am very proud of their service and contribution to our Country and Economy .....but they did  / are not contributing  to the GDP.


The private sector produces "stuff ." The Gov. provides " services ."  Services do not contribute to the GDP .   Dolph

Let's take your cousin on the sub. The government has a requirement to patrol certain areas with certain vessels. Your cousin is performing a very important job on that sub. If he wasn't performing that job, there would be no need for a sub. If there was no need for a sub, there would be no need for Electric Boat or Newport News shipbuilders. Those companies employ thousands of people...

[swampduc]

  I have three cousins that are in the Navy. One is on a Sub as we speak. One is retired Naval Intelligence and the other I'm not sure of his job.

I am very proud of their service and contribution to our Country and Economy .....but they did  / are not contributing  to the GDP.


The private sector produces "stuff ." The Gov. provides " services ."  Services do not contribute to the GDP .   Dolph

I'm not an economist, so I don't claim to be certain of how GDP is calculated, but services don't contribute to GDP? Really? So physicians (of which I'm one), nurses, truck drivers, train engineers, etc., do nothing for the economy? Try living without us, then   

(don't even freaking think of starting the anarchy argument. It would be great for 10 minutes, then not. )

+1

[swampduc]

"It is the total value of all final goods and services produced in a particular economy"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product

[cyrus buelton]

Ok guys, this is getting political.

If you both PM me to agree to stopping your disagreement, I will unlock the thread.

[cyrus buelton]

Not just OH, Vermont is the same.

Someone I know (not me) got fired from her job and is now collecting unemployment. 

That is such a crock of bullshit!!!!

You get fired for cause and then get unemployment?

Shit, I thought Ohio was the only make the beast with two backsed up stated that allowed that.

[slowpoke13]

  Prove me wrong .. Please !    Dolph

You want to talk services - Hmm.. Right now, Navy ships are protecting shipping lanes that provide goods to you. Govvy Research is developing things we can't even fathom (DARPA). Govvy police are keeping bad people out of your neighborhood. Govvy Firefighters are protecting your house. Govvy teachers are teaching your kids.

Are any of these things "tangible?"

Let's take your cousin on the sub. The government has a requirement to patrol certain areas with certain vessels. Your cousin is performing a very important job on that sub. If he wasn't performing that job, there would be no need for a sub. If there was no need for a sub, there would be no need for Electric Boat or Newport News shipbuilders. Those companies employ thousands of people...

[cyrus buelton]

Yes, doubleEagle is right that military jobs do not contribute to the GDP.

However, that is a moot point to this argument.



The President does not contribute to the GDP either.

[swampduc]

Yes, doubleEagle is right that military jobs do not contribute to the GDP.

However, that is a moot point to this argument.



The President does not contribute to the GDP either.

Fine, they don't directly contribute to GDP, although they do contribute to the ability of others to contribute  . But I guess the part of the statement that bothered me (personally) was that anyone working for the government (or providing services) is on unemployment. I just disagree with that.

I've worked and/or been in school since I was 15, and I hope never to collect unemployment, but if I ever find myself in that position, I will. It wouldn't amount to much compared to my savings, but every little bit helps, and I contributed to it.

[slowpoke13]

Fine, they don't directly contribute to GDP, although they do contribute to the ability of others to contribute  . But I guess the part of the statement that bothered me (personally) was that anyone working for the government (or providing services) is on unemployment. I just disagree with that.

That's the part that got me. There is no way in hell anyone who's done this would ever consider it "unemployment."

[DoubleEagle]

I'm not an economist, so I don't claim to be certain of how GDP is calculated, but services don't contribute to GDP? Really? So physicians (of which I'm one), nurses, truck drivers, train engineers, etc., do nothing for the economy? Try living without us, then   
+1

You are in the private sector and contribute to the GDP as are those other occupations you mentioned.    Dolph

[cyrus buelton]

Fine, they don't directly contribute to GDP, although they do contribute to the ability of others to contribute  . But I guess the part of the statement that bothered me (personally) was that anyone working for the government (or providing services) is on unemployment. I just disagree with that.

I've worked and/or been in school since I was 15, and I hope never to collect unemployment, but if I ever find myself in that position, I will. It wouldn't amount to much compared to my savings, but every little bit helps, and I contributed to it.

Does the the president contribute to the GDP?

How about IRS? CIA?

[NAKID]

  You are in the private sector and contribute to the GDP as are those other occupations you mentioned.    Dolph

So, private sector doctors, nurses and truck drivers contribute, but people who hold the same job for the government (how about the CDC) don't? 

[Grampa]

So, private sector doctors, nurses and truck drivers contribute, but people who hold the same job for the government (how about the CDC) don't? 

the coastal ducati club brings the beer


and that's a sizable contribution