Tank Pad adhesive

Started by SaltLick, March 10, 2009, 09:01:19 PM

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SaltLick

When i took my tank pad off, all the adhesive stuff basically peeled off the back of the tank pad. I dont want to pay another $30 for the ducati carbon fibre tank pad since i just got this one last year.

Anyone know of a product i can buy that will stick that thing on the tank without ruining the paint job?  i thought about double sided tape but not sure if that will hurt the finish or not.

Ivan

Quote from: SaltLick on March 10, 2009, 09:01:19 PM

Anyone know of a product i can buy that will stick that thing on the tank without ruining the paint job? 

I had the same issue with the tank pad on my Aprilia.  The manufacturer (Geelong Carbon of Oz) recommended clear silicone adhesive/sealant, just make sure that it is the type that does not produce acetic acid as a result of the curing process.  The thing to look for on the label is the term "neutral cure".   I've been told that the stuff that they sell for sealing leaks in aquariums is generally of the neutral curing type.  Its been holding my tank pad on for just over a year with no problems, but I can't vouch first hand for the non-damaging aspect because its not been off since.
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Roscoe

Use 3M brand double sided tape. You can find it in various thicknesses and the best would probably be the thinner, grey stuff (dont remember the product #) It's use to adhere trim moldings on vehicles. A local autobody and paint supply would probably have it.

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sorry cpu difficulties...just go to monsterparts.com, click on protection, then go to the bottom and click on next for an assortment of protectors.  I personally don't understand why people put tank pads on these beautiful bikes.  Think it totally ruins the look  BUT protection is needed.  So what I did is go w/ the 3M non-adhesive protection.  Its kind of a pregnant dog to put on but you can't even tell that its there!
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ducpainter

Any solvent based adhesive will affect fresh paint.
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Roscoe

Quote from: ducpainter on March 14, 2009, 09:27:34 AM
Any solvent based adhesive will affect fresh paint.
This is true. Are you referring to silicone type adhesives?

To the OP, any type of adhesive tape can damage paint, if you are trying to remove it from poorly prepped job (feel free to chime in Ducpainter) or a fresh, uncured job. I install clear paint protection products (3M, Venture Tape, Xpel. etc.) on autos and bikes for a living and have seen many examples of the paint lifting when trying to remove films, vinyl, and double backed mounted moldings. Very few were from quality, factory applied paint, or solid prep work. When removing it, one thing to remember is not to "jerk" the tape off, but remove it carefully, and with a little help from a heat gun. 

ducpainter

Quote from: Roscoe on March 14, 2009, 10:54:45 AM
This is true. Are you referring to silicone type adhesives?

 
Most automotive type adhesives are not silicone based.

Quote from: Roscoe on March 14, 2009, 10:54:45 AM

To the OP, any type of adhesive tape can damage paint, if you are trying to remove it from poorly prepped job (feel free to chime in Ducpainter) or a fresh, uncured job. I install clear paint protection products (3M, Venture Tape, Xpel. etc.) on autos and bikes for a living and have seen many examples of the paint lifting when trying to remove films, vinyl, and double backed mounted moldings. Very few were from quality, factory applied paint, or solid prep work. When removing it, one thing to remember is not to "jerk" the tape off, but remove it carefully, and with a little help from a heat gun. 
My experience is that most failures are due to people not waiting long enough for the paint to cure.

If you put anything over fresh clear or activated urethane before full cure you are risking a failure.

It causes solvents to trap in the film and when they can't get out they go back down breaking the bond with the previous layer.

Poor prep will allow the failure at any time regardless of cure.
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Roscoe

It's funny, I try to explain this to people who ask for clear PPF right after their car is freshly painted, including body repair shops, and they try to tell me its fine because "we bake it with lamps".  Sounds like you know your shizz Ducpainter.

I tell people to wait 30 days before applying any film.

Sorry to get off the subject of the tank pad...

ducpainter

Quote from: Roscoe on March 14, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
It's funny, I try to explain this to people who ask for clear PPF right after their car is freshly painted, including body repair shops, and they try to tell me its fine because "we bake it with lamps".  Sounds like you know your shizz Ducpainter.

I tell people to wait 30 days before applying any film.

Sorry to get off the subject of the tank pad...
This is definitely on topic.

Regarding baking with lamps...

that only gives an overnight dry...not a full cure.
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bigiain

Quote from: Roscoe on March 11, 2009, 08:13:52 AM
Use 3M brand double sided tape. You can find it in various thicknesses and the best would probably be the thinner, grey stuff (dont remember the product #) It's use to adhere trim moldings on vehicles. A local autobody and paint supply would probably have it.

"Butyl Mastic" might be a helpful term while searching for this stuff...

I've got my tankpad held on with butyl mastic tape that I bought from a car place who sell it for attaching plastic bodywork trim and stuff... It's been there for (thinks) about 8 years now.

big

uclabiker06

Quote from: SaltLick on March 10, 2009, 09:01:19 PM
When i took my tank pad off, all the adhesive stuff basically peeled off the back of the tank pad. I dont want to pay another $30 for the ducati carbon fibre tank pad since i just got this one last year.

Anyone know of a product i can buy that will stick that thing on the tank without ruining the paint job?  i thought about double sided tape but not sure if that will hurt the finish or not.

Just use the 3M non-adhesive.  You use water then squeeze out the air bubbles and your good to go.
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NekkedChic

I THINK this applies to this thread, sorta-kinda?? 
Bought the TechSpec grip stuff instead of StompGrip for sides of tank because I noticed I am wearing the paint off sides of '09 696 evidentally (thought it was dirt, but not unfortunately) 
LUV the TechSpec grips, but they are SLIDING OFF!!!  At first, thought I was pulling them off, but happening overnight so NOT ME!!   
Seems after I ride/heat bike up then park, they slowly slide down, but leaving the sticky stuff still on tank. UGLY obviously, embarassing and annoying at very least! ANYone having same issues with these and how do I stop them from doing this, but keep paint SAFE??!   
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SaltLick

Quote from: Ivan on March 10, 2009, 09:12:33 PM
I had the same issue with the tank pad on my Aprilia.  The manufacturer (Geelong Carbon of Oz) recommended clear silicone adhesive/sealant, just make sure that it is the type that does not produce acetic acid as a result of the curing process.  The thing to look for on the label is the term "neutral cure".   I've been told that the stuff that they sell for sealing leaks in aquariums is generally of the neutral curing type.  Its been holding my tank pad on for just over a year with no problems, but I can't vouch first hand for the non-damaging aspect because its not been off since.

i just bought some Aquarium Sealant says 100% Silicone on it, i called the company to make sure and they said yes it does produce acetic acid during the curing process.  So just in case anyone is reading this, dont try Aquarium Sealant, but i am going to try to find the neurtal cure stuff your talking about....

Roscoe

It's only my opinion, but I wouldn't use 'cone. It may hold it, but will cause a mess if you need to remove it, or it starts coming loose. Find the 3m trim tape, thats what its used for. We use it  for body side moldings, wheel lip moldings, rocker panel guards, etc. Designed to hold well, survive the elements, but can be removed if needed. Also, its relatively thin, so the piece won't sit up off the metal. I'll try and find a part number today for you.  [moto]

SaltLick

Quote from: Roscoe on March 24, 2009, 08:46:11 AM
It's only my opinion, but I wouldn't use 'cone. It may hold it, but will cause a mess if you need to remove it, or it starts coming loose. Find the 3m trim tape, thats what its used for. We use it  for body side moldings, wheel lip moldings, rocker panel guards, etc. Designed to hold well, survive the elements, but can be removed if needed. Also, its relatively thin, so the piece won't sit up off the metal. I'll try and find a part number today for you.  [moto]

that would be great. I went to three autoparts stores yesterday and looked around for any kind of 3M sticky tape but couldnt find it, maybe if i had the part number and name i could write that down and take it with me for them to lookup. Thanks alot.