Tuning a nemesis

[jbolle]

I have been thinking about opening up the airbox and getting a Zard exhaust for my 07 S2R1k.  After reading through the rather exhaustive threads on the ECUs and whatnot I was thinking about getting a Nemesis ECU and having it tuned.  When I checked the Nemesis site it appears that their closest tuning center is Ducshop in Marietta, GA, a good 600 miles from me.  Does anyone know of somewhere in the reasonably local area (~300 miles) that would be capable of properly tuning a Nemesis?

Thanks for the help.

Jeff

[Bug]

           I would just go with the PCIII and map. I don't think for the extra dollars you spend on the ECU that it will be worth the loot. The PCIII and pod filters made a big difference on my m1000.

[LYD]

I also have a PCIII, but no pod filters just a K&N. 

[jbolle]

Bug, I appreciate the suggestion, but most of the indications from the closed loop ecu thread over in accessories seems to indicate differently.  From that thread, it looks like once you've opened the airbox and put a full exhaust on, the PCIII doesn't have enough range to really fix the fueling. 

It looks like the best options for really getting the bike running well are likely MonsterMash's reflash or a custom map in a Nemesis.  I'm not willing to settle for a bike that sort of runs well some of the time.  If I'm already spending the money, an extra few hundred dollars to make sure it is performing as well as possible isn't a primary concern of mine.

Jeff

[zooom]

Bug, I appreciate the suggestion, but most of the indications from the closed loop ecu thread over in accessories seems to indicate differently.  From that thread, it looks like once you've opened the airbox and put a full exhaust on, the PCIII doesn't have enough range to really fix the fueling.  

PCIII doesn't have enough range with a canned map? or doesn't have enough range after proper dyno tuning? I find it hard to believe that a properly trained dyno tuner can't make a proper map for this set-up (of course you'll have to pay for 1.5-3 hours worth of tuning time, but it sounds like it'd be worth it)

It looks like the best options for really getting the bike running well are likely MonsterMash's reflash or a custom map in a Nemesis.  

what about the 3rd option of the European DP ECU like what 2LaneFun aka 2vtwin aka Gene has and a few others have gotten???

[Bug]

              I only took a glance at some threads. There is definitely some misinformation along with some useful stuff. You can probably disconnect the O2 sensor and run an open loop and go the PCIII route. Marc Sutton is one of the premier Ducati tuners on the east coast btw. His shop did the valving on my Monster, good stuff. I would give Marc a call and see what he suggests?

[jbolle]

PCIII doesn't have enough range with a canned map? or doesn't have enough range after proper dyno tuning? I find it hard to believe that a properly trained dyno tuner can't make a proper map for this set-up (of course you'll have to pay for 1.5-3 hours worth of tuning time, but it sounds like it'd be worth it)

what about the 3rd option of the European DP ECU like what 2LaneFun aka 2vtwin aka Gene has and a few others have gotten???

The DP ECU seemed to give decent results, but not anything worth the money.  If I'm going to spend that kind of cash I can get a nemesis for the same price ($1050 is the best I've seen the Nemesis for) or less and have so much more control.

As for using a PCIII with a dyno tuned map, that seems like it would work, but I think I'd rather just have MonsterMash make me up a custom ECU mapping, dyno my bike, and let him then tweak the map and update my ecu, as that would come in for right around the same price as a PCIII plus that much dyno tuning time and not require another piece of gear on my bike or messing with the O2 sensor.  I was just looking on the DynoJet website and didn't even see a PCIII for my bike (07 S2R1000).  I'd have to go back and look see what people were using to try and make it work.

Info on what MonsterMash is doing is here: http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=15502.0

Bug,
Thanks for Marc Sutton's name, I appreciate that.  I'll look him up and give him a call, see what he thinks.

Thanks for the suggestions guys.

Jeff

[twolanefun]

Hmmm, don't know the answer. I do know that Ducati is not very happy with PCIII's being installed on the new closed loop systems. What I know for sure is that I have a full system up front, Doug Cook Reverse Cone Megs in back with removeable baffles fabricated by Duc Pond, DP ecu, and my S2R1000 runs great once warm, it starts fine but searches for a steady idle for a minute or so, then it's fine. And BTW with the baffles in, seat of the pants impression is that thre is no difference in performance. I'm told with the baffles out I have fewer folks that want to ride with me, but now that I have my trophy for the loudest bike, 115db, at Italian Motofest, I think I will just leave them in. - Gene

[tocino]

I have the exact same bike, but mods are: Leo Vince 2 into 1 on a Spark midpipe, open airbox with a K&N. I've had the standard air/fuel problems, and even bought the RBIII ECU - which ended up being a waste of time and money (if anyone wants it I'll sell it cheap).

Turns out a good fix that worked great for me: set up your exhaust, etc. as you like and then take it to DucPond and have them put on a FatDuc thingie-doodle (yes, that's a technical term). It's got a pot on it that allows you to adjust the fuel sensor map signal coming from the Lamda sensor. DucPond then uses an O2 sensor to make sure things are combusting well. It was sub 200$ for the FatDuc O2 Manipulator, install and tuning.
I found it to cure the lean running issues, and like the fact that it requires no software or anything like that. If I decide to change my exhaust, etc. I can just adjust the pot to accommodate.
Check out http://www.fatduc.com/

Also - if you haven't yet cut your airbox, and are going to cut the entire top off, let me know if you'd consider a trade. After I chopped mine I worried about water getting in there during a rainstorm and want a "do over" with a less aggressive opening.

The PCIII method may not work (unless they have a new product in the last 3 months). DucPond has installed it on one customer's bike and they were very happy, but installed on others and it hasn't worked (or worked for a bit and then the lean issue returned). The problem is that DynoJet, etc. don't really know what's going on inside the Ducati ECU (and Ducati aint sayin'), and it seems to reset itself from time to time and do other things. I also think for the PCIII way to work properly you'll need an earlier DS1000 ECU so that adds to the cost.

-Steve

oh, and you could always just order it direct from FatDuc and ballpark it via the seat-o-the-pants dyno.

[jbolle]

Also - if you haven't yet cut your airbox, and are going to cut the entire top off, let me know if you'd consider a trade. After I chopped mine I worried about water getting in there during a rainstorm and want a "do over" with a less aggressive opening.

I haven't yet cut my airbox, but as I am a little hesitant to make permanent, irreversible, changes, I was going to order a new, DP style open lid with the K&N filter.  I was thinking about getting this: http://www.store.commoto.com/ducati-monster-filter-2002-p-257.html.

As it stands right now, I don't think I need all of the insanity that they Nemesis provides, and I think I am going to go with Monstermash's ECU reflash service.  Now I just have to order the parts and get her done.  Except I'm going to be out of town for the better part of 2 months, putting me doing this right in the prime of riding season.

Jeff

[tocino]

As it stands right now, I don't think I need all of the insanity that they Nemesis provides, and I think I am going to go with Monstermash's ECU reflash service.  Now I just have to order the parts and get her done.  Except I'm going to be out of town for the better part of 2 months, putting me doing this right in the prime of riding season.

Yeah - that Nemesis thang is expensive, but does offer additional features (if you need it)

You could always get the FatDuc emulator and put it on while you're getting your parts. Then sell it after the ECU flash.

[zooom]

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=20488.0

food for thought!!!