Just kill the pirates !

[junior varsity]

i can't figure this one out either - if they be on a small boat, as the news channel told me, that's "water tight", why not punch a hole in it?

Hard to shoot at your captives if you are treading water. i also found it humerous that the news had very little information on the exact whereabouts, how many captives, etc, but they knew, FOR CERTAIN, that the bad guys had AK-47's and were shooting into the water at the American, and were able to pull his body back into the boat.

While I'd like to point out all the holes in that bit of journalism, we should begin with a simple reference to MythBusters and what happens to bullets when they hit water. (If there were bullets fired into the water from the possible buzz-worthy named kalashnikov patterned rifle).   See: http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2005/07/mythbusters_bulletproof_water.html If you are 3' under water, and they are standing on the boat, you be safe. The odds of them hitting you from a small boat that's bobbing in the water once you dive in and swim out about 10y, grab a bite of air, and go under and swim some more seems super small. food for thought.

[Triple J]

The cargo should have no impact on the ship being armed or not.

So there is no valid reason (cargo-wise) why these ships could not have armament.

Just reporting what I read...that oil tanker crews are not armed because the cargo is extremely flammable.

Comparing the USN operations to civilian ships isn't really valid. The military's level of justifiable risk is much higher than the civilian worlds.

[Triple J]

so


do nothing then, based on the "what if"?

Lyrics are great...but they're just that...song lyrics.

The aren't doing nothing last time I checked. Time (hopefully not too much) will tell if the current efforts are successful, or if they have to resort to something more drastic. But, there are quite a few examples of the military attempting to rescue hostages not going so well. I'm not saying special forces or something shouldn't eventually go in...just that it is probably viewed right now as a last resort.

[junior varsity]

Well, a war of attrition is an interesting plan - isn't that the current plan? Last i heard it was wait it out, people will get thirsty eventually.

[Grampa]

Lyrics are great...but they're just that...song lyrics.

The aren't doing nothing last time I checked. Time (hopefully not too much) will tell if the current efforts are successful, or if they have to resort to something more drastic. But, there are quite a few examples of the military attempting to rescue hostages not going so well. I'm not saying special forces or something shouldn't eventually go in...just that it is probably viewed right now as a last resort.

maybe we could bow to them

[junior varsity]

[Grampa]

"sweep the leg".

[junior varsity]

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[Triple J]

maybe we could bow to them

uh huh...that's exactly what I said. 

How about this...walk us through, step by step, your Seals/corkscrew plan to rescue the Captain.

[Grampa]

You do have a knack for reducing things to the absurdly simple. 

You're right...just kill em now. F' the captin, and F' the 200+ hostages they currently hold. Besides...you don't know them anyway.

everybody who sails or ships in those lanes knows what to expect. If my son decides he wants to make a buck working on a boat that runs that route ..... he accepts those risks, and I'd be the first person wanting his life spared, but paying those people off just keeps the cycle going.

it's either pay higher prices for items in because of ransom payoffs or higher insurance costs....either way we the consumer lose and pay for it...I'd rather the insurace company get it.

this form of extortion only ends when we decide to really stop it.

[Grampa]

uh huh...that's exactly what I said. 

How about this...walk us through, step by step, your Seals/corkscrew plan to rescue the Captain.

easy.... divers swin undetected under the boat.

make holes


boat takes on water


pirates are more concerned about saving themselves that hostage


boat sinks


divers rescue hostage


pirates drown


it looks like everybody drown until hostage writes a book and is booked to do Oprah

[junior varsity]

That's what I was thinking. Hard to tread water while holding rambo knife and steel framed cold war rifle.

But wait! Why wouldn't they just get in a life boat??? (Because, duh, that's what they are already in!)

[Triple J]

easy.... divers swin undetected under the boat.

make holes

Pirates notice holes are being placed in boat, and shoot Captin in head...since they know they're f'ed.
boat takes on water


pirates are more concerned about saving themselves that hostage see above


boat sinks


divers rescue hostage see above


pirates drown


it looks like everybody drown until hostage writes a book and is booked to do Oprah

You're too optimistic. I edited your process to what would more likely happen.

Why not just launch a missile at the raft instead...same outcome.

[Grampa]

You're too optimistic. I edited your process to what would more likely happen.

Why not just launch a missile at the raft instead...same outcome.

an auger is cheaper than a missle


save the missles for the houses the pirates are building on the somalian coastline

[junior varsity]

Why not just smoke 'em out with tear gas or something?

OR EVEN BETTER: Laughing gas. Hard to shoot your prisoners if you are laughing hysterically at the situation.

Or, I saw this on future weapons, the gay-gas. There's also some audible device that makes people throw up. The puke-horn or some such name. The frequency upsets peoples balance and makes 'em hurl. Hard to kill people if you are blowin' chunks off the starboard bow.