Just kill the pirates !

[Triple J]

this form of extortion only ends when we decide to really stop it.

Agreed. I never said to pay them off. I'm just saying it probably isn't time yet for a drastic course of action like many here are proposing from the comfort of their computer. I don't claim to know the answer...but I'll give the US military and govt. the benefit of the doubt that they have a plan before I call them weak.

[Grampa]

http://resources.bravenet.com/audio_clips/movies_tv/10_commandments_-_so_let_it_be_written_so_let_it_be_done/listen/

[Triple J]

Why not just smoke 'em out with tear gas or something?

OR EVEN BETTER: Laughing gas. Hard to shoot your prisoners if you are laughing hysterically at the situation.

Or, I saw this on future weapons, the gay-gas. There's also some audible device that makes people throw up. The puke-horn or some such name. The frequency upsets peoples balance and makes 'em hurl. Hard to kill people if you are blowin' chunks off the starboard bow.

How do you deliver the gas? The lifeboat is closed up, and appears to be made of a pretty stout fiberglass material or something similar...similar to cruise ship life boats.

The frequency thing is interesting...wonder if it's operational?

[Grampa]

they need the brown note

[junior varsity]

How do you deliver the gas? The lifeboat is closed up, and appears to be made of a pretty stout fiberglass material or something similar...similar to cruise ship life boats.

The frequency thing is interesting...wonder if it's operational?

While it may be operational, for demonstration use on the History [hitler?] channel, I do not think it is mass produced and on board at this point. The idea was riot-stopping, etc.

[gojira]

Possibility that dozens of existing hostages from other countries will be killed in retaliation. 

It's possible it'll go this route however there's a been a few other rescues by commando forces, etc, that do not appear to have changed the stakes for anyone.

[junior varsity]

Has there been any confirmation that the guy is still alive?

I was watching the news yesterday and they said after he tried to escape, they shot at him in the water, and then dragged him back inside, but there has been no communication with him to confirm he is alive since then.

My guess is that he got shot immediately upon getting in the water, and his body was pulled back in so they could still use him as a bargaining chip.

With the little information I know, I would halt all negotiations or any other talks with the pirates until his health is confirmed. To do otherwise doesn't make sense to me.

[Grampa]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30167077


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[Old-Duckman]

Just reporting what I read...that oil tanker crews are not armed because the cargo is extremely flammable.

Comparing the USN operations to civilian ships isn't really valid. The military's level of justifiable risk is much higher than the civilian worlds.

Yeah, you make a good point about military being willing to accept higher risks.

However, this is a container ship transporting food and supplies, not oil.

However...again. I have a friend who is a merchant seaman. He is a member of SIU "Seafearer International Union" He told me this ship was manned by SIU members and he told me that they are not allowed to have weapons of any kind on the merchant ships he sails on.

I think the time has come that they need to rethink that policy.

He actually thinks it is a good policy (to not have weapons) 'cause he feels many of his union brothers are a bit crazy...at times. He is a gun owner so it is not that he has anything against guns and gun owners. He has been a merchant seaman for over 20 years and I have heard some crazy stories about his union brothers (and sisters) so, in a way I understand his concern but something has got to change.

[junior varsity]

I always disagree with those policies. Many pizza delivery people are denied the ability to carry per corporate policy. Really makes me mad. So I try to always just by frozen stuff or attempt to make a pizza myself (mixed success).

[Old-Duckman]

I always disagree with those policies. Many pizza delivery people are denied the ability to carry per corporate policy. Really makes me mad. So I try to always just by frozen stuff or attempt to make a pizza myself (mixed success).

I give you credit for not buying from a place whose policies you disagree with...Your "mixed success" line gave me a chuckle though.

If I were a pizza delivery guy whose company would not let me carry concealed (and I had a legit permit to do so), I'd carry anyway. A small pocket pistol would go un-noticed and if you needed it...so what, you loose your job, not your life.

[junior varsity]

I agree with that - I've got the permit, and if I had to do that job (I can think of many I'd rather do) its better to be alive and looking for a job than dead but well in accord with corporate policies.

I try hard to stick with the principles plan, but sometimes the wife orders pizza before I can say "hey, the grocery is only a few seconds away, we can walk there even, and it tastes better (often) and is cheaper!".

I tried to make my own pizza a few times. Not so good. I am pretty mean calzone maker though.

[muskrat]

finally some sense!  I agree with paying them phony money and taking the Captain back and blowing them up slowly and PAINFULLY.  We have got to stop people from no longer respecting us.  this is crap.

[ducatiz]

they need the brown note

air drop Kenny G

[rgramjet]

air drop Kenny G

That would be Cruel and Unusual!  I'm sure that would violate the Geneva Convention on more than one level.  Wait a minute, these guys are pirates.....there is no Geneva Convention!! 

Time to get Midevil!