S2R 800 or 1K?

[duc996]

Dry clutch is a must,go with the s2r1. That's the trademark of the DUC!

[Loyalizer]

I go along with the 800 crowd. The intelligent route would be to go with the 800. Get the suspension and brakes changed over to what the 1000 has. In the long run you will have a bike that handles and out performs the 1000. It will be lighter and quicker have have less maintenance issues than the 1000. Plus the insurance would be much less. with all the money you save you can mod the bike to your hearts content. I will bet you that no 1000 will ever leave you in the dust. Providing your kung fu is better, in the twisty's I will even go so far as to say you will have blown them away. It would be like a Porsche out handling a Corvette in the canyons. Only in this case the Porsche cost less all the way around....

Go the smart route not the muscle way... [moto]

[Loyalizer]

  Besides, the 1000 has better suspension and brakes , because its big, heavy, and cumbersome. It needs all that just to keep in under control. Look at it this way. Superbike and AMA litre bike racers go into MotoGP and most can't hang. MotoGP has 800cc bikes with the best brakes and suspension in the industry and they are the elite class. Bayliss is a god of Superbike and in three years of being in MotoGP never won a race. Then in 2006 wins at Valencia his only win as a replacement rider I think.

In 2008 Ben Spies AMA mega champion rides in MotoGP at Laguna Seca barely finishes 8th, then on the same day wins the AMA class...

Dude, if you weigh over 250 lbs I get it. but if not. What's the point, dry clutch?  If dry clutch is your aim then 1000 all the way.... 

[silentbob]

Get the suspension and brakes changed over to what the 1000 has.

Or just buy the 1000 for less money than the 800 plus all the parts and labor.

In the long run you will have a bike that handles and out performs the 1000.

Nope.  Same suspension and brakes + less power = lower performance.

It will be lighter and quicker have have less maintenance issues than the 1000.

15 lbs lighter is not significant.  Maintenance is the same.

Plus the insurance would be much less.

Not with most insurance companies in the US.  Europe is a different story.

Besides, the 1000 has better suspension and brakes , because its big, heavy, and cumbersome. It needs all that just to keep in under control.

The S2R 1000 is anything but big, heavy, and cumbersome.  If it were then the S2R 800 plus a big breakfast would also be big, heavy, and cumbersome.

[herm]

um,.......less than 10 pounds different between bikes (382 vs 391). also, not sure what you mean my less maintenance???

unless you are mixing the s2r100 and the s4r?

[Loyalizer]

Im sorry let start by saying I don't know much about either bike other than a few specs. Going off what I have read on this thread. Every 800 owner seems to feel it is a powerful bike. I should have said get the better suspension and brakes  not necessarily the one the 1000 has. A lighter bike should translate to being easier to flick in a turn. More power still has to lug more weight. 15 lbs is nothing to scoff at. If you area hefty person maybe one needs a 1000. if you are a buck sixty, not so much.

if guys think the 1000 is more nimble than an 800 I beg to differ. Plus what is the top speeds between the two are negligible 5-8 mph. You all know at that point its all about he rider and not the machine.

Are not the AMA bikes heavier than the MotoGP bikes? do they not have higher cc's? How different are the brakes and suspension packages? If Toseland was the Superbike Champion why can't he finish better than 8th in MotoGP. Bayliss, Spies, and Vermuelen all came from 1000cc's but doesn't seem to translate into successful MGP. Stoner came from 250cc's and he was Champion. 

[silentbob]

Im sorry let start by saying I don't know much about either bike other than a few specs. Going off what I have read on this thread. Every 800 owner seems to feel it is a powerful bike. I should have said get the better suspension and brakes  not necessarily the one the 1000 has. A lighter bike should translate to being easier to flick in a turn. More power still has to lug more weight. 15 lbs is nothing to scoff at. If you area hefty person maybe one needs a 1000. if you are a buck sixty, not so much.

if guys think the 1000 is more nimble than an 800 I beg to differ. Plus what is the top speeds between the two are negligible 5-8 mph. You all know at that point its all about he rider and not the machine.

Are not the AMA bikes heavier than the MotoGP bikes? do they not have higher cc's? How different are the brakes and suspension packages? If Toseland was the Superbike Champion why can't he finish better than 8th in MotoGP. Bayliss, Spies, and Vermuelen all came from 1000cc's but doesn't seem to translate into successful MGP. Stoner came from 250cc's and he was Champion. 

So, let's get this straight.  You don't know much about either bike but you insist that the 800 is a better handling bike. 

Tell you what, get an S2R800 and an S2R1000 and meet me at the track.

[herm]

Im sorry let start by saying I don't know much about either bike other than a few specs. Going off what I have read on this thread. Every 800 owner seems to feel it is a powerful bike. I should have said get the better suspension and brakes  not necessarily the one the 1000 has. A lighter bike should translate to being easier to flick in a turn. More power still has to lug more weight. 15 lbs is nothing to scoff at. If you area hefty person maybe one needs a 1000. if you are a buck sixty, not so much.

if guys think the 1000 is more nimble than an 800 I beg to differ. Plus what is the top speeds between the two are negligible 5-8 mph. You all know at that point its all about he rider and not the machine.

Are not the AMA bikes heavier than the MotoGP bikes? do they not have higher cc's? How different are the brakes and suspension packages? If Toseland was the Superbike Champion why can't he finish better than 8th in MotoGP. Bayliss, Spies, and Vermuelen all came from 1000cc's but doesn't seem to translate into successful MGP. Stoner came from 250cc's and he was Champion. 

so why are you you arguing the point?
and what good is comparing race bikes/riders with joe bike owner?
buying a used 800 vs a used 1000 is not that big a difference in price point. and it becomes moot once you upgrade the suspension and brakes on the 800.
the 800 produces 76 hp(72nm) compared to the 1000 at 93hp(94nm). thats 17 more ponies to drive those 9 extra pounds.

just seems like you have a hard on for the 1000cc bikes??

[Loyalizer]

See thats testosterone talk'n not reason. Im trying to understand the logistics of something. Tell you what how bout we play a game of chess instead. winner take all.

Reading all the post on this thread, the only real mention is the dry clutch difference. Other than HP what really makes it better? Again, if top speed is not that much difference, and both can have similar high end components. I still think the lighter bike will fair better in a head to head, track type situation.

I'd like to see Stoner on his 800 vs Bayliss on his 1000 both race at Philip Island. Or Rossi on his 800 M1 bike vs Spies on his 1000 GSXR at Laguna Seca, who do you think will win ?

Or for that matter you on your bike an someone that really knows how to drag knee on a 695.  See, now you are claiming to be somethings special on the track, I'm not...

[Loyalizer]

so why are you you arguing the point?
and what good is comparing race bikes/riders with joe bike owner?
buying a used 800 vs a used 1000 is not that big a difference in price point. and it becomes moot once you upgrade the suspension and brakes on the 800.
the 800 produces 76 hp(72nm) compared to the 1000 at 93hp(94nm). thats 17 more ponies to drive those 9 extra pounds.

just seems like you have a hard on for the 1000cc bikes??

The concepts the same

Relativity

I have seen people do amazing things with all types of machines. To me it seems more like everyone else has the hard on for the 1000. Mine would be for the 800  [moto]

[silentbob]

See thats testosterone talk'n not reason. Im trying to understand the logistics of something. Tell you what how bout we play a game of chess instead. winner take all.

Reading all the post on this thread, the only real mention is the dry clutch difference. Other than HP what really makes it better? Again, if top speed is not that much difference, and both can have similar high end components. I still think the lighter bike will fair better in a head to head, track type situation.

I'd like to see Stoner on his 800 vs Bayliss on his 1000 both race at Philip Island. Or Rossi on his 800 M1 bike vs Spies on his 1000 GSXR at Laguna Seca, who do you think will win ?

Or for that matter you on your bike an someone that really knows how to drag knee on a 695.  See, now you are claiming to be somethings special on the track, I'm not...

I like small light bikes over big heavy bikes.  Now having ridden both the 800 and the 1000 I can tell you that the 1000 turns and stops MUCH better than the 800.  As for the difference in weight, you can't tell.  Now, put some BST wheels on the 1000 and you will feel like you are on a 250 lb bike.  That is weight that will really make a difference. 

As for being special on the track, I know of at least one guy on a 848 who can easily pass me on my 1098 and it is not because his bike is lighter than mine.

Now for the GP vs WSBK thing.  GP bikes are built to a MUCH higher state of tune with FAR more advanced components everywhere.  WSBK has to be very close to production so this is not and apples to apples comparison.  Plus the GP bikes were 1000 cc a couple of years ago and they didn't get faster when they went down to 800 cc.

Now back to the topic at hand.  The original poster is an experienced rider who wants a bike he wont outgrow.  For him I would recommend the 1000 over the 800. 

[hydra]

if you have 10 yrs experience then you should go for the bigger bike.
but you should definitely test ride both bikes. i'm pretty sure the ducati dealers in SF will let you test ride a few...
but once you ride the faster one, you WILL be sold.

good luck

[Loyalizer]

As for being special on the track, I know of at least one guy on a 848 who can easily pass me on my 1098 and it is not because his bike is lighter than mine.

I guess that is more in tune to my way of thinking. At a certain point all that power doesn't really matter. Its like saying your basketball game is better because of your shoes. I have been on this board for a while now. It seems like its a programmed response to always go for the bigger bike. I don't know why. From what I can tell, no one gets a monster for top speed, thats what the Superbikes (848 & 1098) are for. To say its faster is almost silly. Here we are debating over 10-15 lbs., as if 5 to 8 miles an hour will make a huge difference. Ill put my little M620 up against any 695 or 696, provided I can choose the rider. 

Lets put it in perspective. The guy says he's a dirt bike rider, looking to commute and play a little on weekends. I guessing 130 mph vs 138 mph is not going to twist his shorts in a bunch. But I'm willing to bet in the twisty back roads that 800 is more nibble than the 1000.

Im also willing to bet any rider better than you, will "easily pass" you on an 848 every time until your skill level increases, if it increases...

[silentbob]

 

I guess that is more in tune to my way of thinking. At a certain point all that power doesn't really matter. Its like saying your basketball game is better because of your shoes. I have been on this board for a while now. It seems like its a programmed response to always go for the bigger bike. I don't know why. From what I can tell, no one gets a monster for top speed, thats what the Superbikes (848 & 1098) are for. To say its faster is almost silly. Here we are debating over 10-15 lbs., as if 5 to 8 miles an hour will make a huge difference. Ill put my little M620 up against any 695 or 696, provided I can choose the rider. 

Lets put it in perspective. The guy says he's a dirt bike rider, looking to commute and play a little on weekends. I guessing 130 mph vs 138 mph is not going to twist his shorts in a bunch. But I'm willing to bet in the twisty back roads that 800 is more nibble than the 1000.

Im also willing to bet any rider better than you, will "easily pass" you on an 848 every time until your skill level increases, if it increases...

Most people on this board automatically recommend a smaller bike.  In this case the OP wants a bike he won't soon outgrow and he has enough experience to handle a 1000.

You argue that the performance difference of the 1000 is not that great and then go on to say that it is too powerful and no one can use that much power.

You say that 10 lbs. is a trivial difference and then argue that the 800 will out handle a 1000 because of it.  This despite real evidence from people who have actually ridden both bikes.

There are many of us here who can take advantage of the better suspension, brakes, and power of the 1000, maybe you are not one of them.  You are correct that the Monster is not a race bike and that is why even the 1000 is a fairly docile machine and well suited for the OP's intended purpose. 

The difference in top speed is fairly negligible between naked bikes but the additional low end grunt of the 1000 also means more drive out of the corners and less shifting when on the highway.

Bayliss rode the 1098 much faster than any of the other 1098 riders in WSBK.  Does that mean they should ride smaller bikes?  They obviously can't use all the potential of a 1098.  I ride with some WERA guys on the track who can out ride me on any given machine but I still ride faster on an S2R1000 than I would over an S2R800.  I continue to run quicker times on faster, more capable machines.  I still have yet to tap as much of the 1098 as I would like and as such I am only significantly faster on the 1098 over the 848 on bigger tracks.

If you have been monitoring this board for a while then you should realize that the majority here can appreciate and use better suspension and brakes which the 1000 has over the 800.

[bipolarbear]

As for weight and height I'm 160 lbs and 6ft tall. 

I have a couple of bikes I have been e-mailing about one is a stock s2r 1000 and I've managed to talk them down to $6600 from $7500.  Another is an s2r 800 dark asking price of $5500, and the last is an s2r 800 with exhaust and some other mods and I'm waiting to hear back on a price for that one.  Tough choice right now.