times change...

[erkishhorde]

Last time I got a speeding ticket was 9 years ago when I was 16.  Back then the fee to be allowed to do traffic school was like $20. Now it's $64 (in Pomona)?? Jeez, gone up a lot.

$322 for 81 on the freeway (16 over). Not that it matters but the  CHP said he paced me from Temple on the 57N and pulled me over where it hits the 210W. My ticket when I was 16 was... 45 in a 35? Maybe? I think it came out to $210 after I paid the fee that allowed me to do traffic school, so $190 for 10 over. That part doesn't seem to different. About $100 per 5mph over.

Blah, I guess my speedo isn't as generous as I thought it was and is actually pretty accurate.  Anybody got a favorite online school that I can see if Pomona accepts?

[Gus Duc]

Last time I got a speeding ticket was 9 years ago when I was 16.  Back then the fee to be allowed to do traffic school was like $20. Now it's $64 (in Pomona)?? Jeez, gone up a lot.

$322 for 81 on the freeway (16 over). Not that it matters but the  CHP said he paced me from Temple on the 57N and pulled me over where it hits the 210W. My ticket when I was 16 was... 45 in a 35? Maybe? I think it came out to $210 after I paid the fee that allowed me to do traffic school, so $190 for 10 over. That part doesn't seem to different. About $100 per 5mph over.

Blah, I guess my speedo isn't as generous as I thought it was and is actually pretty accurate.  Anybody got a favorite online school that I can see if Pomona accepts?

Gototrafficschool.com......... $15 & then they send the certificate to the court for you.

Just sign in........ leave the course open for 8 hrs......... then take the test & you're good to go   You'll still have to pay the fee they give you to take traffic school plus the ticket but your insurance will be cheaper.

[gm2]

or, http://www.ticketassassin.com/

[joekarati]

If it's one thing I'm known for, besides not showing up for Bike Night, it's fighting tickets.

Do what you will, but I have beaten (knock on wood) 2 tickets by written trial by declaration.*

The pacing argument is totally bogus, easy kill, IMO.  I beat an 9 miles over written on the Crest and won.  I recently beat an 15 over (80 in a 65), and won that too...

First one was use of radar, the second one, the officer never stated that he used radar or paced me for that matter, so I argued both points.

I have the versions of the trials I can send you.

You can also search other boards to read defenses.  I've seen a lot of them listed.

*DO NOT PAY TicketAssasin website if you expect help or have questions for the creator. Something is going on.  The first time I used it, it was great and the owner/ creator of the site did email me regarding my case.  The second time, and you can double check the other Boards, he is nowhere to be found.  I paid, and the computer droids subsequently sent me 10,000 emails about how I need to pay (it's a good faith agreement). I even snail mailed the company and got NO response, point is, I make the beast with two backsing paid and it was never acknowledged.  So, if you need help let me know, or you can pay and have confidence that you tried to do the right thing (Karma?)...

jc

[joekarati]

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HA!  If you have already admitted fault and are going to T. School (just re-read your post... )...TRIPLE check that it's an certified accepted T. School for your  Court.

[hbliam]

The pacing argument is totally bogus, easy kill, IMO.  I beat an 9 miles over written on the Crest and won.  I recently beat an 15 over (80 in a 65), and won that too...

First one was use of radar, the second one, the officer never stated that he used radar or paced me for that matter, so I argued both points.

Not to take anyhting away from your victories.....just some info from the other side.

Actually pacing is an easy kill for us. No street report needed. Just show that the police vehicle was calibrated recently. Ours are calibrated every year and actually read slow. It's also not bogus. If I am pacing you at 60 MPH, not catching up nor falling back you are going damn near or over 60. I only write from about 18 over and up so any argument over 1 or 2 MPH isn't going to go anywhere. I could see you winning a pacing ticket on a mountain road. Not being able to visually see the vehicle you are pacing won't help an Officers case.

Concerning radar/pace being noted on the cite. Doesn't have to be. Most guys do note it to remind themselves.

Lastly, there is no proof that your arguments won either trial. You would have to verify that the Officer actually submitted his part on time.

[lawbreaker]

Not to take anyhting away from your victories.....just some info from the other side.

Actually pacing is an easy kill for us. No street report needed. Just show that the police vehicle was calibrated recently. Ours are calibrated every year and actually read slow. It's also not bogus. If I am pacing you at 60 MPH, not catching up nor falling back you are going damn near or over 60. I only write from about 18 over and up so any argument over 1 or 2 MPH isn't going to go anywhere. I could see you winning a pacing ticket on a mountain road. Not being able to visually see the vehicle you are pacing won't help an Officers case.

Concerning radar/pace being noted on the cite. Doesn't have to be. Most guys do note it to remind themselves.

Lastly, there is no proof that your arguments won either trial. You would have to verify that the Officer actually submitted his part on time.

   
.... Radar guns are also calibrated, checked and info kept on file too......

[joekarati]

I love the info from the other side!  Actually, was going to ask you...

I heard of a moto Cop ticket on the Crest where the cited says that he was going up the Crest while moto Cop was coming down, and that the moto Cop got him on radar...while in transit?  Thoughts?

Anyway, yes, I agree, the 'victories' may be for other reasons than my stated argument(s).  BUT, on the one tix, there was no cruiser number listed on the citation, so I argued that...(can they back log and check the cruiser from that date?)

You can request that the citing officer provide proof of calibration and likewise, a calibration cert. for radar.  And then there is the speed trap argument, safe and reasonable speed argument, etc...

Anyway, I am no pro on the law, lucky perhaps, with some plug and play help.

My mainstay approach is to argue a ticket...

[hbliam]

I love the info from the other side!  Actually, was going to ask you...

I heard of a moto Cop ticket on the Crest where the cited says that he was going up the Crest while moto Cop was coming down, and that the moto Cop got him on radar...while in transit?  Thoughts?

We have radar in all of our cars. They work in transit or while stationary...depending which mode we set them to. I can set it to pick up as you come up from behind, to pick out the fastest in a pack, etc.

Anyway, yes, I agree, the 'victories' may be for other reasons than my stated argument(s).  BUT, on the one tix, there was no cruiser number listed on the citation, so I argued that...(can they back log and check the cruiser from that date?)

There is no requirement to note the vehicle # on the cite. At my agency we write it on the back to help us but again, there is no requirement.

You can request that the citing officer provide proof of calibration and likewise, a calibration cert. for radar.  And then there is the speed trap argument, safe and reasonable speed argument, etc...

That's all kept on file, no problem getting that for you. Speed trap in CA is defined as using objects or paint marks on the road to assist aircraft who are monitoring speed. So that won't work too well. Safe and reasonable speed or basic speed law is good if the Officer fails to address that in his presentation. I do it in all of mine, "subject was passing other vehicles, medium to heavy traffic, children on the sidewalk, driveways, alleys, and other intersection roadways, weather conditions, etc, ect."

Like I said, i don't write them unless they deserve it.

[joekarati]

Cool, so to clarify, if I write a written trial, what does this 'look like" on your end...meaning, what's the diff between me showing up and protesting in court vs. submitting a written trial?

Thanks for being so open...mum's the word. 

[hbliam]

Cool, so to clarify, if I write a written trial, what does this 'look like" on your end...meaning, what's the diff between me showing up and protesting in court vs. submitting a written trial?

Thanks for being so open...mum's the word. 

No big secret. My end I get a copy of the ticket (the front), and a two page form. I go pull the back of the ticket so I can read my notes. The form is "check the box" and actually asks us questions that "qualify" the ticket and make sure we followed vehicle code rules when we cited you. Fairly standard and any uniformed cop giving you a ticket would be within the VC rules. It also asks us to verify calibration, street reports if needed, and then provides a small space for our statement. I write "see attachment" and then type that in Word, print it and then attach it. If you lose and ask to go to trial at court I just read the statement I typed up.

I've said it before. If you get cited by a large agency (LAPD, CHP, LASD, LBPD) you have a better chance of winning because they may not turn the form in on time or at all. Small agenices are micro managed. If I don't turn it in on time I have a admin asst. hunting me down. IOW...I turn in every one, usually the day I get it. Takes 10-15 minutes max. If you cited by a motor or "traffic" car it's about 100% that it will get turned in on time. That's all those guys do. Write tickets, take accident reports, work DUI checkpoints...basically anything to do with traffic safety.

[lawbreaker]

No big secret. My end I get a copy of the ticket (the front), and a two page form. I go pull the back of the ticket so I can read my notes. The form is "check the box" and actually asks us questions that "qualify" the ticket and make sure we followed vehicle code rules when we cited you. Fairly standard and any uniformed cop giving you a ticket would be within the VC rules. It also asks us to verify calibration, street reports if needed, and then provides a small space for our statement. I write "see attachment" and then type that in Word, print it and then attach it. If you lose and ask to go to trial at court I just read the statement I typed up.

I've said it before. If you get cited by a large agency (LAPD, CHP, LASD, LBPD) you have a better chance of winning because they may not turn the form in on time or at all. Small agenices are micro managed. If I don't turn it in on time I have a admin asst. hunting me down. IOW...I turn in every one, usually the day I get it. Takes 10-15 minutes max. If you cited by a motor or "traffic" car it's about 100% that it will get turned in on time. That's all those guys do. Write tickets, take accident reports, work DUI checkpoints...basically anything to do with traffic safety.

.... I can say- I'm from a LARGE agency and we're micro-managed.. primarily by dip-shits who are so anal about paperwork and deadlines that they'll hand out days off without pay like candy at halloween for not dealing with court issues as ordered. Trial by declarations seem to be more common. As far as getting them to officers in a timely manner is up to  1. The court paper trail  2. The subpoena control Officer.

Yes we're REQUIRED to show for court- and Traffic Court is the absolute worst.

 I hate tickets and pretty much haven't written one in quite a while. 1945 Hill St. SUCKS.... my .02

[joekarati]

NEW PROBLEM, HELP.

I submitted my written trial and just lost.  PROBLEM.  I received the papers today in my PO Box.  It's April 23rd right?  The make the beast with two backsing postage stamp date (a la automatic) is dated March 23rd.  The Court paper is dated March 23rd.

PROBLEM:  I want (ed) to request a new trial, have 20 days to do that, from when?  That's right, MARCH 23rd.  Am I as make the beast with two backsed as I think I am?

WTF?  How could the date be back logged one FULL month?  Post office error?  Traffic Clerk error?  Help, I am super pissed!!!

What (if anything) can I do?  I triple checked the dates, saved the envelope, I can't believe it...I have missed the 20 day mark to submit form TR-220...what now?

Help.

[Loyalizer]

I did a trial by dec recently, lucked out and won. Got the ticket heading to Bike Night. I believe I won because the officer did not turn in their form. 

However, I do have a question (?)

Its been my experience or though it seems, that most Officer's (CHP) don't give tickets much if you are going under 80 mph. It seems due to the fact that everyone else is usually going 70 or 75 i would think, true? yah or nay, I mean what do I really know. Also, is it especially true for motorcycle. Being a bike I feel much safer if I'm going slightly faster than traffic on a FWY. I feel less like Im going to be hit from behind.

Also would you say Moto-cops are more or less harsh to motorcyclist? What's the general feeling towards Motorcyclist?


PS. I lost in court regarding a moving violation 8 years ago, appealed, and won...