Rossi v Stoner and years past....

[COWBOY]

1.  Competitive and Comprable does not mean they are the SAME or even the Same Spec.   Even Elias is getting a bike from the Factory that is LESS than what is in the paddock of Pedrosa and Dovi.  Practice and Qualy times will prove that this weekend.

You guys act like this is some classroom or lab hypothesis.  This is racing fellas.  The proof IS in the pudding.  If we want to see if the bikes are the same then all we need to do is check the practice, qualy and race log books.  Results are everything.

This has got interesting enough that i'll even put a 20.00 side bet on it.  Honda, Yamaha, Ducati teams - If a satellite rider on one of those manufacturers wins a single race this year I'll pay up.

[derby]

1.  Competitive and Comprable does not mean they are the SAME or even the Same Spec.   Even Elias is getting a bike from the Factory that is LESS than what is in the paddock of Pedrosa and Dovi.  Practice and Qualy times will prove that this weekend.

that may or may not be the case... unless you work for hrc, how do you really know?

the way i see it, hrc has nothing to lose from giving another racer a 10/10ths bike. it's a great way to measure a racer against a known quantity (their factory racer on the same equipment) without having to play the "what if we had given him the good tc or the good frame or the good swingarm" game.

This has got interesting enough that i'll even put a 20.00 side bet on it.  Honda, Yamaha, Ducati teams - If a satellite rider on one of those manufacturers wins a single race this year I'll pay up.

i'm not putting $20 on anybody beating rossi or stoner. make that "beats a factory rider on the same make" and you've got a bet.

[COWBOY]

i'm not putting $20 on anybody beating rossi or stoner. make that "beats a factory rider on the same make" and you've got a bet.

LOL. If I could guarantee both Factory rides would finish a race I would go there. 

To win the bet the highest placing rider on a given bike must be a satellite. 

For instance,  Toseland will have to place higher than Rossi AND Lorenzo, Elias higher than Pedro AND Dovi, any of the Ducs higher than Casey AND Nicky.

If it weren't for the Duc chewing up anyone not named Stoner I'd have bet there'd be no satellite riders in the top 6 at the end of season rankings but I'm not convinced Nicky is going to get up to speed fast enough to catch Toseland, Edwards etc. ( edit as I've said they ARE competitive bikes NOT crap).

[Jester]

what you can't point to is a string of races where the factory bike was beaten by the Satellite bike (less than 10 in the past 4 years with ALL of those coming in 2005, 2006.) what you can't show is that they are equal.

I already pointed this out, but what about Sete Gibernau in 2003 and 2004?  He finished ahead of Rossi a few times in 2003 on a satellite bike of the same make, and then in 2004 he pretty much spent half the season finishing in front of the Repsol's and beat Rossi a few times too.

The biggest advantage the factory teams have is their riders.  Yeah some development parts are nice, but in general, the factory teams can and do pay the best riders to mount their bikes.  If Rossi and Burgess went to Tech-3 and Edwards back to the factory team, I promise you Tech-3 is coming out on top of Edwards and Lorenzo.  Rider talent is the bigger factor.  Same would go for Stoner if you tossed him on the Pramac Ducati.  He'd still be up front.

[supakpow2]

 

[derby]

http://www.crash.net/MotoGP/News/146146/1/hondas_rc211v_-_motogps_best_bike.html

[DarkMonster620]

OK guys,

Both riders are good, each has it's own deeds done good and bad. Michelin still manufactures great to excellent tyres[2costly for me]. Don't forget Dunlop left MotoGP also[but I use them on my bike]

Casey rides the wheels of that GP7/8/9 whichever he's riding. He was the first guy on the switch to 800cc that lifted the rear on the back straight in China...According to ESPN's argentine MotoGP commentators.

Now, I don't get to see the races since, ESPN decided that my country has no $$$ potencial for these transmission, so I'm stuck watching the MotoGP LIVE TIMMING screen for hours without end, playing a VHS on the background to hear the engines...is that funny???

So all of you, stop fighting, we're here to discuss, in a friendly way, to learn from the old and why not, the new, to make friends in different places[for future rides]...

Who's the best?.........

Remember when, NO ELECTRONICS, NO TRACTION CONTROL, NO BRAKE ADJUSTING, NO HELMETS LIKE TODAY'S, NO FULL LEATHERS LIKE TODAY'S, NO EQUIPMENT LIKE TODAY...and let's not talk bout the umbrella girls, OK?
Sit back and enjoy the races YOU CAN WATCH on TV!!!

[Jester]

and let's not talk bout the umbrella girls, OK?

Now that's just one step too far mister!

[gm2]

Michelin still manufactures great to excellent tyres

you lost me there.

[DarkMonster620]

Now that's just one step too far mister!

What I meant was : That the girls are getting better looking every year and less clothes  ...

Sorry if I said something to ofend, not my intention.

[DarkMonster620]

you lost me there.

I've riden bikes shod with Michelin and compared to mine, "same bike" different tyres, mine Dunlop D220, friend's Miichelin Road Pilot, both OEM sized, I could feel the grip of the Michelin's letting me go 'a bit faster' than on my bike with the Dunlop's, but, same day, now raining, my bike had a slight advantage...

Just saying...

And if I offended, SORRY

[derby]

And if I offended, SORRY

he's not offended, he just hates anything that isn't dunlop. 

[Jester]

What I meant was : That the girls are getting better looking every year and less clothes  ...

Sorry if I said something to ofend, not my intention.

Don't worry about offending me.  I'm just yankin' on your chain. I enjoy good arguments.  Lots of points of view and usually we learn stuff.   

[tufty]

The biggest advantage the factory teams have is their riders.  Yeah some development parts are nice, but in general, the factory teams can and do pay the best riders to mount their bikes. 

Er, correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure Derby and gm2's ears just perked up), but Tech 3 Yamaha didn't get the current generation of engine until the 4th or 5th race last year. Toseland qualified 2nd at Qatar, but during the actual race the 15-20 kph advantage that the factory Yamaha's had over the Tech 3's in the straights ate he and Edward's alive.

[derby]

i'd have to go back and check on last year, but this year they're supposed to have the same stuff as the fiat team from the start.