Rossi Stoner 2007-2008 CURRENT RESULTS with prior year comparison SPOILER

[gm2]

Casey has been christened Casey Moaner in the MCN

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Jul/080731a.htm

now he can't make up his mind as to whether it was michelin or ohlins who was sabotaging him in '06.  it was someone goddammit!


also can't really decide why he also does the left foot/left corner entry thing.  comes up with two reasons then settles on 'i don't know' inside a couple sentences.  =)

[COWBOY]

Casey has been christened Casey Moaner in the MCN

LOL.  2006 and 2007 Rossi put the blame everywhere but himself for his troubles.   Despite that he had a chance in 2006 to "own" the poser Hayden and win the championship and he binned it - still doesn't acknowledge Hayden as the real champ.  2007 there are pages of whining, moaning, excuses and arguments here and on TOB.  Please go read and share your insights there.

Didn't hear Casey "moaning" or "blaming" anyone this year when the bike wasn't working  He consistently praised his team for their hard work, acknowledged they had issues and continually stated he was confident they'd right it and he'd win (many of you here laughed and wrote him off after week 5/6).  He didn't question his commitment to (nor future with) his manufacturer or blame anyone outside himself and the team (ahem tires, dorna, the pope, the italian rev service, the paparazzi, etc).

He didn't like how the old lion showed his claws last race.  Most young ones don't the first time.  Big deal.


Forum Mod.  We're so off topic it's not funny.  If you could please split the topic at an appropriate point so we can maintain the original purpose of the thread (note, compare and discuss the results between this and last year) and not lose the posts and post Laguna discussion of the past few pages it would be helpful.  Thanks.

[derby]

LOL.  2006 and 2007 Rossi put the blame everywhere but himself for his troubles.   Despite that he had a chance in 2006 to "own" the poser Hayden and win the championship and he binned it - still doesn't acknowledge Hayden as the real champ.  2007 there are pages of whining, moaning, excuses and arguments here and on TOB.  Please go read and share your insights there.

his tires were crap and his motor kept breaking. what do you expect him to say?

on the same tires he's currently 25 points ahead of casey in this year's championship.

fwiw, i distinctly remember rossi owning up to his mistake when he threw it down in '06.

furthermore, can you link me to where rossi says hayden isn't a real champ?

[gm2]

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i had a teacher like you once.

[OT]

....on the same tires he's currently 25 points ahead of casey in this year's championship.

Although a neophyte wrt this topic/thread, I can only feel that the race at Laguna Seca clearly demonstrated the superior rider won.  Despite all his efforts, Stoner could not beat Rossi on that track where the faster bike's advantage was neutralized.  Furthermore, I suspect that if they ran that race ten more times Rossi would win the vast majority of them...

[COWBOY]

his tires were crap and his motor kept breaking. what do you expect him to say?

on the same tires he's currently 25 points ahead of casey in this year's championship.

fwiw, i distinctly remember rossi owning up to his mistake when he threw it down in '06.

furthermore, can you link me to where rossi says hayden isn't a real champ?

He's up 25 points because Stoner's bike kept breaking at the beginning of the year and Rossi outpointed him, ironic since that's how Rossi lost and you LHs moaned throughout 06 about it.  they both have 4 wins.  difference between stoner this year and rossi last is stoner didn't threaten to switch teams if it didn't improve, blame his tires, cry to Dorna or make it an issue in the press.  to the contrary he tried to deflect it in the press and maintained his confidence that they'd straighten out and he'd win. 

the only "whining" this year was following Laguna and that has been beat to death.

I'll still put beer on Stoner winning it this year. 

let the "neophyte" leg humping begin.

[derby]

He's up 25 points because Stoner's bike kept breaking at the beginning of the year and Rossi outpointed him. 

yup, that's generally the way you end up with more points.

they both have 4 wins.

ok

  difference between stoner this year and rossi last is stoner didn't threaten to switch teams if it didn't improve,

where is he going to go, back to honda?

blame his tires,

...or switch to michelins? the tire manufacturer that doesn't listen to their top tester (colin) who, when he requests 3 specific sets of tires for the laguna race, gets overruled by tire engineers only to be told after the race that his tires would've been perfect for the conditions.

michelin is doing better than they did last year, but they're nowhere near the powerhouse they were for the previous 2 decades.

  cry to Dorna or make it an issue in the press.

what's dorna have to do with this?

  to the contrary he tried to deflect it in the press and maintained his confidence that they'd straighten out and he'd win.

again, there's not much else he could say. he's not going to go to another team and he's not going to switch tires.

fwiw, i agree for the most part that "happy, confident casey" has been his public persona... but at the same time, i've seen some very heated moments in the ducati garage that did not look like confidence that they'd just "work it out."

the only "whining" this year was following Laguna and that has been beat to death.

...and the loose camera deal in portugal. that might've annoyed me, too, but i doubt i would've blamed the whole race on it.

I'll still put beer on Stoner winning it this year.

he just might. at a minimum, i hope he doesn't run away with the last half of the season. that'd make for some really boring races.

[derby]

i guess you added this while i was composing my previous post...

ironic since that's how Rossi lost and you LHs moaned throughout 06 about it. 

actually, we didn't... or, at least, the majority of us didn't.

[Super T.I.B]

He's up 25 points because Stoner's bike kept breaking at the beginning of the year and Rossi outpointed him, ironic since that's how Rossi lost and you LHs moaned throughout 06 about it.  they both have 4 wins.  difference between stoner this year and rossi last is stoner didn't threaten to switch teams if it didn't improve, blame his tires, cry to Dorna or make it an issue in the press.  to the contrary he tried to deflect it in the press and maintained his confidence that they'd straighten out and he'd win. 

the only "whining" this year was following Laguna and that has been beat to death.

I'll still put beer on Stoner winning it this year. 

let the "neophyte" leg humping begin.

+1.  

Bring it ONNNNN!

I still reckon Stoner's bike/tyres will win this year.

 
 

[darylbowden]

ironic since that's how Rossi lost and you LHs moaned throughout 06 about it. 

Show me one post on TOB or elsewhere where I (and I know I'm one of the ones you're referring to) moaned about it.  Also, I wanted Hayden to win in '06 and was damn happy when he did.  And, for you to compare the issues that Rossi had mechanically in '06 to Stoner's this year is laughable, not even close.  If Stoner has 2 more mechanicals this year then we can talk.

Also, FWIW, I consider Stoner a much better rider than Hayden and I like Nicky a lot.

furthermore, can you link me to where rossi says hayden isn't a real champ?

Still waiting for this link btw...

difference between stoner this year and rossi last is stoner didn't threaten to switch teams if it didn't improve, blame his tires, cry to Dorna or make it an issue in the press.  to the contrary he tried to deflect it in the press and maintained his confidence that they'd straighten out and he'd win. 

And what about Stoner in '06 where he blamed Ohlins, his team AND Michelin?  Now who's playing favorites?


I gotta be honest with you, generally your replies are somewhat even and at least the very least informed, but this time you're coming off like the biggest LH of them all.

[COWBOY]

Show me one post on TOB or elsewhere where I (and I know I'm one of the ones you're referring to) moaned about it.  Also, I wanted Hayden to win in '06 and was damn happy when he did.  And, for you to compare the issues that Rossi had mechanically in '06 to Stoner's this year is laughable, not even close.  If Stoner has 2 more mechanicals this year then we can talk.

First, I've never named names or got personal.  If you feel called out - look in the mirror because I haven't done so.  The LH remark is a catch all for all the Rossi GOAT boys who can't come to grips when their hero doesn't win.  The only one who could possibly feel called out with that comment would be someone else due to our back and forth on TOB, but that isn't my intent here and if he or one of his friends took it that way, I apologize.

To answer your specific question:  I just did a quick search (I admittedly only looked at 3 threads) and you are correct in one respect and that is that you were pulling for him.  There are also some backhanded compliments from some active in this thread about winning due to consistency rather than by winning races.  Those quotes are there for Rossi too.  He acknowledged the championship and was a good sport but lucky is still there in more than a few articles, which is why I said "real" champion.

The overriding theme of 2006 was that Rossi was the best rider and that Nicky got "lucky."  For anyone to claim that wasn't a story both on the forum and in the media in 2006 is absurd which is why I use it as a point of reference.

And what about Stoner in '06 where he blamed Ohlins, his team AND Michelin?  Now who's playing favorites?

Are you seriously equating Stoner's rookie season on a satellite team with less than ideal support to a factory ride and series darling/veteran/icon 6 years in?  A better comparison would be Lorenzo as far as performance, crashes, etc goes and as much as I think Lorenzo is the future of the sport Casey stacks up well in that comparison.

I gotta be honest with you, generally your replies are somewhat even and at least the very least informed, but this time you're coming off like the biggest LH of them all.

Thanks i think for the first part.  I try to be as level and fair as I can.  My horses aren't really running this race since none of the Americans are placing.  I do pull for Stoner over Rossi due to the Ducati team, but I'm far from a Rossi hater (I actually admire his racing and riding very much and enjoy watching him).  The anti-Stoner crap does get my goat and the flip flop arguments from year to year drives my sense of fairness nuts. LOL. 

If Stoner wins it this year I will admittedly become a LH though if that will make anyone feel better.


My points are simple -- Rossi fans can't complain about losing due to consistency in 2006 and then say it isn't a factor this year.  Rossi fans calling Stoner a whiner after Laguna given 2007 is more than the pot calling the kettle black.

As far as whether the problems with the bike are as severe - it's about the impact on the points.  Doesn't matter why mechanically you finished behind just that you have.  The clock doesn't care.

Back on the thread's topic --  4 tracks remain where Ducati/Stoner performed very well.  His best tracks still remain in front of him and I like his chances.  The rest of the season is going to be interesting.   

Cheers
CWBY

P.S.  i refered to Dorna due to Rossi and Pedro lobbying Dorna last year.

[darylbowden]

Are you seriously equating Stoner's rookie season on a satellite team with less than ideal support to a factory ride and series darling/veteran/icon 6 years in?  A better comparison would be Lorenzo as far as performance, crashes, etc goes and as much as I think Lorenzo is the future of the sport Casey stacks up well in that comparison.

Yes, if only for the reason that Stoner reiterated the blame (on the team and Michelin) in an interview less than 2 weeks ago. 

Thanks i think for the first part.

As far as whether the problems with the bike are as severe - it's about the impact on the points.  Doesn't matter why mechanically you finished behind just that you have.  The clock doesn't care.

I do mean that, the sentiment is genuine.

and...

I was talking # of incidents as well as magnitude.  In 2006 (I'll have to check this), I'm pretty sure that Rossi had 3 DNFs and a terrible finishing position in another race all due to mechanical issues (both by Yamaha and Michelin).

[derby]

2006 season results

rossi with 3 DNFs, a 14th, a 13th, and an 8th.

nicky's two worst finishes were a DNF and a 9th.

(casey with 7 DNFs)

[darylbowden]

2006 season results

rossi with 3 DNFs, a 14th, a 13th, and an 8th.

nicky's two worst finishes were a DNF and a 9th.

(casey with 7 DNFs)

Oh yeah, he was also taken out at Jerez by DePuniet right?

[Jester]

For the most part, this season is just about dead even and I'm excited to see how the end of it plays out.  Rossi and Stoner have both fallen off their bikes at different times, but have both rejoined those respective races.  They both share victories and Casey has really only had one race where his bike had any true breakage.

I'm a Rossi leg humper, but regardless of how we feel about how Casey rides that Ducati or how the bike squirms/slides/bucks underneath him, he can ride it at a championship level /shrug.  Rossi has the racecraft to possibly pull it off, but I expect this to be his crowning achievement if he does end up with the championship this season.

Pedrosa should be back healthy and may play a significant part in the front running of the races.  We can't forget about him, regardless if he slipped back in points.  Everyone isn't gonna clear out for Stoner and Rossi to duke it out up front. 

Its been a solid season for both Rossi and Stoner, with few mistakes and some hard racing.  I don't like Stoner personally, or like how his bike works, but it does work and the championship isn't a runaway like last year and shouldn't be unless something crazy happens.  We should be thankful for this!   

Bring on Brno.