Dying Girl's Wish Granted By Pixar

[JBubble]

You posted your thoughts publicly...

so did I.

Your post was a personal attack.

[ducpainter]

Your post was a personal attack.

I'll ban myself.

I have never seen such a selfish display on this board.

I pray you never lose a child Jess...

that's the only way you could ever have any perspective on this...

and I can honestly say no one deserves it.

[JBubble]

I'll ban myself.

I have never seen such a selfish display on this board.

I pray you never lose a child Jess...

that's the only way you could ever have any perspective on this...

and I can honestly say no one deserves it.

I never make the beast with two backsing said that someone deserves it. Never anywhere in any of my posts.

Selfish? What? What is selfish? Saying that someone can have a different opinion? You wanna attack someone, attack Mother. I was merely saying that he's allowed to try and find the silver lining.

So what exactly do you have a problem with?

[ducpainter]

What are you talking about?

mstevens has his opinion, Mother has his. We're all getting along just fine.

I never make the beast with two backsing said that someone deserves it. Never anywhere in any of my posts.

Selfish? What? What is selfish? Saying that someone can have a different opinion? You wanna attack someone, attack Mother. I was merely saying that he's allowed to try and find the silver lining.

So what exactly do you have a problem with?

No...

mstevens has perspective.

Mom has an opinion.

I said he was wrong...

and so are you...and that's not a 'personal attack'. That is a difference of opinion.

I have a problem with the fact you can't accept that sometimes you're just plain wrong...lot's of people are wrong at times...get used to being one of us.

I'm going to go back to not talking to you.

[JBubble]

No...

mstevens has perspective.

Mom has an opinion.

I said he was wrong...

and so are you...and that's not a 'personal attack'. That is a difference of opinion.

I have a problem with the fact you can't accept that sometimes you're just plain wrong...lot's of people are wrong at times...get used to being one of us.

You said nothing about Mother being wrong. You said, to me, "You have no make the beast with two backsing clue" and "wake the make the beast with two backs up". Everything you've said has been directed at ME.

I fully expect that a parent that's lost a child cannot ever find anything happy about that.

But that doesn't mean that someone outside the situation, not having to deal with the grief, can't.

I'm going to go back to not talking to you.

Why? Cause we disagree on things? Cause you think I'm clueless?

[ducpainter]

You said nothing about Mother being wrong. You said, to me, "You have no make the beast with two backsing clue" and "wake the make the beast with two backs up". Everything you've said has been directed at ME.

I fully expect that a parent that's lost a child cannot ever find anything happy about that.

But that doesn't mean that someone outside the situation, not having to deal with the grief, can't.

Why? Cause we disagree on things? Cause you think I'm clueless?

says the 40 ish year old....

[JBubble]

Fine, everything after that then.

I was wrong when I said that everything was directed at me. Happy now?

[That Nice Guy Beck!]

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fugghitaboutit

[mstevens]

Jeez, I didn't mean to start an argument. It seems as if sometimes people can't hear themselves when they post, or don't think things through.

JBubble, you said

"I fully expect that a parent that's lost a child cannot ever find anything happy about that.

But that doesn't mean that someone outside the situation, not having to deal with the grief, can't."

Think about that for just a moment: Finding something HAPPY about losing a child? Really?! Even if it's someone else's?

I seriously doubt that is at all what Mother was saying. His point seemed to be more along the lines of "well, at least it was quick," "he had a good, long life" "her suffering is finally over" and some of the other platitudes we use to comfort ourselves at a loss. I took issue with his position that maybe it was better for this kid to die at 10 while still young and full of hope and stated mine that dying sucks any way 'round. If he disagreed with me strongly, he was free to do so.

My daughter would have turned 18 very recently. She should be out hooliganizing on my Monster and keeping me up late at night with worry about her lousy choice of friends. That those things aren't happening is not a silver lining. If you think it even possibly could be, then either you don't have kids or you're the kind of parent whose murder it comforts me to plot late at night in Emergency Department.

[JBubble]

Neither one of you comprehended my point at all and I'm not gonna sit here and explain it again.

Plotting my murder huh?

[GAAN]

Mstevens and Nate

this has gotten out of hand

I understand fully that you are responding from a place of pain and are hypersensitive to the subject

I respect that

however

You are out of line and you both know it

Pain is subjective

Loss is subjective

Life is subjective

I cannot know what you have felt or what you have lost and you cannot know what I have felt or what I have lost

Nor can you judge the manner with which I or anyone else chooses to deal with that pain and loss

and neither can I


platitudes, delusions, and gallows humor

sure, I use them because they work for me

you use whatever works for you


Let me share

When I was 4 years old I sat next to my father while he bled out from a gunshot wound to the chest

He died telling me to go into the kitchen so I wouldn't have to watch

To this day all I see is him lying on the floor half in the bedroom and half in the hallway with a trail leading from the hole in his chest to his belly button and onto a puddle beneath him

Now

Let me ask you

who has seen worse?

me or you?

The answer to that is neither

because it is subjective

I cannot know or judge your pain and you cannot know or judge mine

You can disagree with the manner in which I choose to deal with it the same way I can disagree with the manner that you choose to deal with yours

but

the concepts of right and wrong do not apply in this scenario


Now

I'm sorry that I vocalized my opinion on this

I know that there are individuals here that have lost children and I should have been more respectful of that

I'm sorry that my opinion has caused you to experience that pain once again

It is also my opinion that an apology is due to jbubble

however

that is your decision to make

[Holden]

Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived.
Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it.
Let darkness and the shadow of death stain it; let a cloud dwell upon it; let the blackness of the day terrify it.
As for that night, let darkness seize upon it; let it not be joined unto the days of the year, let it not come into the number of the months.
Lo, let that night be solitary, let no joyful voice come therein.
Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to raise up their mourning.
Let the stars of the twilight thereof be dark; let it look for light, but have none; neither let it see the dawning of the day:
Because it shut not up the doors of my mother's womb, nor hid sorry from mine eyes.
Why died I not from the womb? why did I not give up the ghost when I came out of the belly?
Why did the knees prevent me? or why the breasts that I should suck?
For now should I have lain still and been quiet, I should have slept: then had I been at rest,
With kings and counsellors of the earth, which built desolate places for themselves;
Or with princes that had gold, who filled their houses with silver:
Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been; as infants which never saw light.
There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest.
There the prisoners rest together; they hear not the voice of the oppressor.
The small and great are there; and the servant is free from his master.
Wherefore is light given to him that is in misery, and life unto the bitter in soul;
Which long for death, but it cometh not; and dig for it more than for hid treasures;
Which rejoice exceedingly, and are glad, when they can find the grave?
Why is light given to a man whose way is hid, and whom God hath hedged in?

Happy father's day!

[mstevens]

Plotting my murder huh?

If you're the sort of parent that I sometimes deal with in the emergency room, the sort who'd rather have their kid die than experience the pain of growing up, the sort who could be "happy" about that, then perhaps.

[JBubble]

If you're the sort of parent that I sometimes deal with in the emergency room, the sort who'd rather have their kid die than experience the pain of growing up, the sort who could be "happy" about that, then perhaps.

You really misunderstood everything I said. And you should read Mother's post. He put it better than I ever could.

Also, wishing violence on another forum member is awesome.

[Statler]

I'm locking this one.

Chris