Seems too vague....

Started by doulos, June 20, 2009, 06:51:11 AM

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DoubleEagle

Living in Ohio, what I have done a few times is turn right on red since it's legal unless noted otherwise and then take the 1st left to get back on track to where I wanted to go.

Other times I've waited for a full cycle of lights and then gone ahead and gone straight through red when the traffic was safe enough .

Luckily no  [leo] has been around when I have done that.

The above pending law does seem vague to me as it is presented as it doesn't have an exact time limit so if it does become a Law , it will need tested in court so that it can be appealed to be clarified in a higher court .            Dolph
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Even the established laws seem a bit sketchy.  I live in NC and didn't know about the 3 minute wait.  If you wait 3 minutes and run it, but LEO only saw the run it part, how to you justify the time limit?  I don't see an officer that witnessed you run a red light taking your word on waiting.  I am gonna print that out and carry it though.  I have two lights that I have to skirt through every night on my way to work.  I haven't been stopped yet, but it can only be a matter of time. 
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A USA Today article dated 6/11/2008 :
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In May, South Carolina became the seventh state to give motorcyclists license to proceed with caution after stopping when the device that causes the light to change from red to green doesn't activate, according to Imre Szauter, government affairs manager for the American Motorcyclist Association.

North Carolina passed a similar law in 2007. Wisconsin (2006), Idaho (2006) Arkansas (2005), Tennessee (2003) and Minnesota (2002), all have passed laws the past six years, Szauter said. Bills have been introduced for the same purpose in Georgia, Missouri and Oklahoma, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures and the legislative websites for those states.


I guess it is a little outdated. YMMV
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Quote from: DoubleEagle on June 22, 2009, 05:51:39 PM
Living in Ohio, what I have done a few times is turn right on red since it's legal unless noted otherwise and then take the 1st left to get back on track to where I wanted to go.

That is actually illegal in most states. Something about avoiding a traffic control device...
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DoubleEagle

Quote from: NAKID on June 23, 2009, 08:53:00 AM
That is actually illegal in most states. Something about avoiding a traffic control device...
It has been the Law for what seems 15 years here in Ohio that unless there is a sign that says" No right turn on Red ," you can turn right on red with caution after coming to a stop .     Dolph       :)
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Quote from: DoubleEagle on June 23, 2009, 08:31:21 PM
  It has been the Law for what seems 15 years here in Ohio that unless there is a sign that says" No right turn on Red ," you can turn right on red with caution after coming to a stop .     Dolph       :)

It's not the right turn on red he's commenting on-it's the turning around after. You're basically avoiding the light entirely, and he's saying that is illegal.
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redxblack

Akron has these nifty continuous right turn on red lanes. My dad about crapped his pants when I was driving his car near my house and I went through a red (in the legal lane). He was air breaking like mad!

I'd imagine a right then turning around would be similar to short cutting through a corner parking lot to avoid a light.

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Quote from: DoubleEagle on June 23, 2009, 08:31:21 PM
  It has been the Law for what seems 15 years here in Ohio that unless there is a sign that says" No right turn on Red ," you can turn right on red with caution after coming to a stop .     Dolph       :)
Quote from: MrIncredible on June 23, 2009, 09:29:42 PM
It's not the right turn on red he's commenting on-it's the turning around after. You're basically avoiding the light entirely, and he's saying that is illegal.

Exactly...
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Quote from: rose_guy on June 21, 2009, 05:36:49 AM
Minnesoa has a law that allows you to proceed after a reasonable time. I asked a policeman and he said after the second cycle it would be ok. Never been stopped but I have a light near home that doesn't change until a car pulls up behind me. I go through it fairly regularly,
Northbound Crosstown @ Bunker Lake Boulevard?

During normal traffic I try not to be caught as the lead guy at the light, as there isn't a second trip back there.  Holds up the entire line of cars.  If I get caught, I pull up tight to the stripe and wave the next car up beside me.  That works pretty well.
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Quote from: Bigbore4 on June 24, 2009, 06:15:18 AM
Northbound Crosstown @ Bunker Lake Boulevard?

During normal traffic I try not to be caught as the lead guy at the light, as there isn't a second trip back there.  Holds up the entire line of cars.  If I get caught, I pull up tight to the stripe and wave the next car up beside me.  That works pretty well.

Nah, I live on the southside. I actually have 2, 12th at 86th, and lyndale at 90th. The Lyndale isn't really a problem because the traffic is heavy and a car is always near. 12th has the same problem yours has. 1 loop so a car behind doesn't help. I have had cars follow me through the light.
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I read through Ohio's code and didn't see anything about motorcycles being able to go through red ligts.   [bang]
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Here's Idaho
Title 49 chapter 9 section 3e

e)  Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, the driver of a
    motorcycle approaching an intersection that is controlled by a triggered
    traffic-control signal using a vehicle detection device that is
    inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle, shall come to a full and
    complete stop at the intersection. If the signal fails to operate after
    one cycle of the traffic signal, the driver may proceed after exercising
    due caution and care. It is not a defense to a violation of section
    49-801, Idaho Code, that the driver of a motorcycle proceeded under the
    belief that a traffic-control signal used a vehicle detection device or
    was inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle when such signal did not
    use a vehicle detection device or that any such device was not in fact
    inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle.
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Quote from: VisceralReaction on June 24, 2009, 08:33:28 AM
Here's Idaho
Title 49 chapter 9 section 3e

e)  Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, the driver of a
    motorcycle approaching an intersection that is controlled by a triggered
    traffic-control signal using a vehicle detection device that is
    inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle, shall come to a full and
    complete stop at the intersection. If the signal fails to operate after
    one cycle of the traffic signal, the driver may proceed after exercising
    due caution and care. It is not a defense to a violation of section
    49-801, Idaho Code, that the driver of a motorcycle proceeded under the
    belief that a traffic-control signal used a vehicle detection device or
    was inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle when such signal did not
    use a vehicle detection device or that any such device was not in fact
    inoperative due to the size of the motorcycle.


That sucks. If you can only go after one cycle, what if it doesn't cycle? Some lights don't change at all if the moto don't set 'em off. You'd technically be trapped there.
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DoubleEagle

Quote from: MrIncredible on June 24, 2009, 08:54:30 AM
That sucks. If you can only go after one cycle, what if it doesn't cycle? Some lights don't change at all if the moto don't set 'em off. You'd technically be trapped there.
I was referring to one cycle of the other lights .   Dolph      :)
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Quote from: DoubleEagle on June 24, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
I was referring to one cycle of the other lights .   Dolph      :)

I'm saying some lights don't cycle at all unless triggered.
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