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Monsterlover

#1125
December 12, 2010, 06:49:19 AM Last Edit: December 12, 2010, 06:51:09 AM by Monsterlover
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 06, 2010, 03:35:52 PM
By the way, like the looks of that Ruger. We need a range report! [thumbsup]

Well, I finally fired it.

I was over at my friends place (my reloading and .45 mentor) and we ran some home loads through the SR9c at his bullet trap in the basement.

First of all, these rounds were cone points that he cast himself.  They fed mostly ok.  The round nose he had fed 100%.

The first 5 shots were in the black and touching at 11 yards.  I got sloppy after that, but it was still not bad.

There was also an issue 2 times where I pulled the trigger and nothing happened.  Pull the mag, clear the chamber. . .

the pin hit the primer but nada.  I reloaded that round and it went off the second time.

The other time this happened it took 3 hits before it fired.  It seems the firing pin wasn't impacting hard enough, or possibly the primers had a hard spot in them.  I feel like it was probably the gun.

As is from the factory it's packed with grease like a wheel bearing and the parts aren't worn in (im guessing)  If it still does this after a couple hundred more I'll be asking some questions at the shop I bought it from.

Recoil was manageable.  Noticeably less than the .45 1911.  There's not a lot of weight out front on this gun, its' all on top of your hand.

I figured I would be less accurate with it using the short mag, but found that was not the case.  Using a separate target for the short mag showed more than a few shots touching each other in the black.  I do like the long mag better as far as fit in my hand goes though.

I think it handles well.  Im excited to see how it is after it loosens up.

[thumbsup]

I notice that Springfield is now advertising the XD or XDm pistols with a similar short and long mag setup.

Anyway, I like this gun a lot and am glad I bought it.

If you're thinking of getting one, Id say go for it.  I don't think you can go wrong with it.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

WarrenJ

#1126
December 12, 2010, 07:31:16 AM
Most of the time, when a round doesn't fire and subsequently fires on a second hit, it is due to the primer not being seated completely at the bottom of the primer pocket.  When this happens, the energy of the first firing pin hit is absorbed in moving the primer deeper into the primer pocket.  Once the primer is bottomed out and the anvil of the primer is supported by the bottom of the primer pocket, the next hit crushes the priming compound between the anvil and the firing pin and things go bang. 

When you run your finger over the bottom of the case after reloading, the surface of the primer should be a few .001 below the base of the case.   If the primer is flush or slightly above the base of the case, you can experince misfires or other problems. 

First thing to check before blaming the gun.

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Monsterlover

#1127
December 12, 2010, 07:35:20 AM
Quote from: oldfastwin on December 12, 2010, 07:22:04 AM
Nice to hear you like it! [thumbsup] I would reserve judgement on the pistol until you have run a good amount of factory loads through it. Certainly nothing against your friend or his reloading abilities. Just saying those specific handloads may have had the primers set in a way that your pistol's firing pin didn't like. Who knows. Obviously, if you have the same problem after 250 rounds of factory ammo then sure, have a gunsmith check it out.

I can't fault him.  He's loaded for 70 years and never bought a factory round in his life.  I think he should teach a class on reloading.

The way I see it, the primer is either all the way in, or it's not.  If it wasn't set all the way in, I'd guess the slide might drive it home going into battery, but that's just a guess.  I'm no expert.

QuoteOnce had a Seecamp that I never fired. New in the box. I've had others so that one was a "keeper". Last year a friend expressed interest in it and I was in the mood to sell it. Gave it to him with a box of Seecamp recommended .32 Win Silvertips. Told him to shoot it and if he liked it we'd work a deal. Long story short, his dog got attacked in their front yard by two wandering, pit bulls. It was bad. He couldn't break up the fight and his dog was loosing... who wants to get in the middle of that fight? He pulled out the loaded Seecamp to shoot the attacking dogs and pulled the trigger. Nothing. Racked out that round, chambered another. Again nothing. Repeated it three more times Same result.

He managed to kick and beat the pit bulls off his dog and had to take it to the vet for stitches. I demanded the gun back and sent it to Larry Seecamp after talking with him on the phone about it. After inspecting the pistol he called me and told me that the firing pin had been filed down to the point it would not strike a primer. He said (and I believed him!) no way that left their facility like that and someone else must have done that to it. He guessed it had been a gun show demo sometime during it's life before I got it and for "safety" reasons instead of removing the pin some dumbass filed the pin down to enable the pistol. WTF? Anyway, he kindly fixed it for free (nice guy!! [thumbsup]) and upon receiving it I personally tested it before handing back to my friend. Yep, it ran like a freight train! Lesson #1, don't EVER carry a gun for self protection if you haven't broken it in and tested it with your personal defense ammo! Chewed my friend's ass for not doing that and yes, he now owns the gun and it is well broken in. Just glad my friend didn't actually need that gun for his personal protection only to find out it didn't work!

Damn.  I do intend to eventually carry this gun.  I'll shoot my home loads out of it, but I wouldn't ever carry it with home loads.  I'll run some Critical Defense through it to confirm functionality and carry those.

[thumbsup]
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

Monsterlover

#1128
December 12, 2010, 07:37:39 AM
Quote from: WarrenJ on December 12, 2010, 07:31:16 AM
Most of the time, when a round doesn't fire and subsequently fires on a second hit, it is due to the primer not being seated completely at the bottom of the primer pocket.  When this happens, the energy of the first firing pin hit is absorbed in moving the primer deeper into the primer pocket.  Once the primer is bottomed out and the anvil of the primer is supported by the bottom of the primer pocket, the next hit crushes the priming compound between the anvil and the firing pin and things go bang. 

When you run your finger over the bottom of the case after reloading, the surface of the primer should be a few .001 below the base of the case.   If the primer is flush or slightly above the base of the case, you can experince misfires or other problems. 

First thing to check before blaming the gun.



Great info there.  If it ever happens again you bet that's what I'll look at.

That very well could have been it, hard to say.

None of the .45's ive loaded have ever failed to fire, but that's a different caliber, different loader, and different press so that may not count for much.

Makes me happy though :)
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

WarrenJ

#1129
December 12, 2010, 07:46:46 AM
I found this out the hard way years ago.  It cost me dearly at a regional IPSC champinship.  The slide going into battery will have mimimal effect on this especially on a 45 as there is so little suface for the case to headspace on.  Most of the time the case is held in position by the extractor more than anything else.  Sometimes you can have slightly oversized primers, tight or dirty primer pockets, etc that can cause this situation.  

When I gage my ammo after reloading, I run my finger over the base of the case as a quick check for primer height.
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ducatiz

#1130
December 14, 2010, 02:20:30 PM
I was at Gander Mt this weekend and saw the Taurus 738 TCP and the new S&W Bodyguard 380 -- all in the same weight/size class as the KelTec P3AT that I love.  I also compared them all side-by-side with the Ruger LCP.

Well, the Taurus beat the shit out of the others.  The trigger on that gun is amazing -- smooth and light.  I don't know if I'd buy another since I already have the KelTec, but for a mousegun it is pretty sharp. 

Plus, for some reason, S&W priced theirs $200 MORE than the others.  The Ruger, KT, and Taurus are all around $300 but the S&W is $529.  WTF?  It has a built-in laser, but so what.  If you need a laser for that kind of gun, it's time to get an eye transplant -- and that's not worth $200 to me.

One interesting fact, the Taurus is made in USA.  It's the first gun of theirs I've see with Made in USA on it.  I bet it is the import points rules for small guns -- they probably do the metal bits in Brazil and the plastic frame in the US.
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Monsterlover

#1131
December 14, 2010, 03:05:33 PM
Thought this was interesting. . .

"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

Monsterlover

#1132
December 14, 2010, 04:34:02 PM
I keyed in on the same ones.

#11 sxt is a renamed, I believe, black talon.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

ducatiz

#1133
December 14, 2010, 05:11:11 PM
I looked up the specs on the S&W Bodyguard 380 and was a little shocked

They list the MSRP at $399, but Gander Mtn had it for $529..

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765772_-1_757892_757752_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
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"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

Monsterlover

#1134
December 14, 2010, 05:24:53 PM
Not everyone checks msrp

Sometimes makers enforce MAP (minimum advertised pricing) but there's nothing to stop them from selling at list or above it.

MSC is notorious for this. I've seen them sell Dynabrade tools at 10% off but what they do first is mark the list price up 10% before they discount.

Everyones in business to make money.

Your duty as a shopper is to be savvy.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

ducatiz

#1135
December 14, 2010, 05:34:52 PM
I am just surprised because the S&W MSRP isn't THAT much more than the other models, I don't know why Gander would want to price it out of the picture for most people.

The Ruger was $329 and is functionally similar -- the S&W's laser sight might tip that extra $70 if they were selling at MSRP, but they were asking $529.  Just not worth it,esp given the setup isn't THAT great.  The difference in the trigger on the Taurus was phenomenal.  I expect the KelTec to feel like a staplegun, but the S&W I'd expect to be perfect and it was no different. 

Pulling the Taurus trigger was like slicing warm butter.
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Monsterlover

#1136
December 14, 2010, 05:45:20 PM
I see what you're saying.

Hard too say what goes on at GM in the decision making office.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

hbliam

#1137
December 14, 2010, 10:05:34 PM
Quote from: Monsterlover on December 14, 2010, 04:34:02 PM
I keyed in on the same ones.

#11 sxt is a renamed, I believe, black talon.

You are correct. It is what we are issued BTW.

Monsterlover

#1138
December 15, 2010, 04:18:35 AM
That's probally good.  They look destructive.
"The Vincent was like a bullet that went straight; the Ducati is like the magic bullet in Dallas that went sideways and hit JFK and the Governor of Texas at the same time."--HST    **"A man who works with his hands is a laborer.  A man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman.  A man who works with his hands, brains, and heart is an artist."  -Louis Nizer**

The Architect

#1139
December 15, 2010, 07:20:36 AM
I can't tell you how many rounds I've put through this one. 

Marlin Model 70, 22lr


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