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Triple J
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Re: Stoner's mystery illness is...
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August 10, 2009, 06:37:55 AM »
Quote from: Spidey on August 10, 2009, 06:34:14 AM
That said, I can be fickle. I might wanna bone him in a year or two.
Agreed the wave was bonehead, but I like him anyway. He's fast, aggressive (too much last race but he's young), and seems to be a fun guy really enjoying himself out there.
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Queen - 'Another One Bites the Dust'
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no matter what you think of Stoner, sucks when one of the top competitors can't finish the season in the fight.
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August 10, 2009, 12:15:56 PM »
Everyone claims to want competition in racing and here some people are happy that a competitor dropped out. The competition is only good when it's your guy winning huh?
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August 10, 2009, 12:31:45 PM »
I'm just stirring the pot man.
I think its terrible this is happening. Having Stoner drop out kills a lot of the drama for the end of the season. The only person that has any real shot of shaking up the final result of this season is Pedrosa. You have to assume that Lorenzo and Rossi are going to top the podiums at every race, barring odd circumstance. Its not likely Lorenzo is going to win all 7 races, so Rossi's 25pt lead is solid, but not unbeatable. Pedro can have some impact on the point distribution, but without Stoner in there, we're probably not going to see any big swings in points. i.e. Lorenzo 1st, Rossi 4th, etc.... again barring crashes or odd weather.
I guess my feelings are that Stoner gets paid a lot of money and he's been a front runner, so without the doctors finding anything conclusive other than fatigue, I think he needs to saddle up and ride. Rest after the season imo. He turns the least amount of practice laps, and should be the least fatigued. I think since he's back in the points he's just throwing in the towel. Maybe doctors will find something, but at this point it just looks like he needs to man up. Who knows. What I do know is that Lorenzo in the past two seasons has ridden through a broken body and confidence issues when he could have sat out without any grumblings from fans or team, so I find "fatigue" a really lame excuse not to ride for the next month and a half. I can't stand Pedrobot either, but he's ridden through some pretty harsh physical conditions as well, regardless of where he might finish the race. I'm sure he may have wanted to rest up longer, but he had people help him get on the bike and rode anyhow. I'd bet Jorge and Pedro were much more "fatigued" than Stoner considering how badly they have been beat up.
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I guess my feelings are that Stoner gets paid a lot of money and he's been a front runner, so without the doctors finding anything conclusive other than fatigue, I think he needs to saddle up and ride. Rest after the season imo. He turns the least amount of practice laps, and should be the least fatigued. I think since he's back in the points he's just throwing in the towel. Maybe doctors will find something, but at this point it just looks like he needs to man up. Who knows. What I do know is that Lorenzo in the past two seasons has ridden through a broken body and confidence issues when he could have sat out without any grumblings from fans or team, so I find "fatigue" a really lame excuse not to ride for the next month and a half. I can't stand Pedrobot either, but he's ridden through some pretty harsh physical conditions as well, regardless of where he might finish the race. I'm sure he may have wanted to rest up longer, but he had people help him get on the bike and rode anyhow. I'd bet Jorge and Pedro were much more "fatigued" than Stoner considering how badly they have been beat up.
the distinction between some broken bones and something that saps
all
your energy isn't clear? really?
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Stoner has been doing better each race and just had a 3 week layoff. Get on the bike and see where you stand this weekend. Run a race simulation during practice and call it then. He's been in much better shape lately and sometimes you gut through stuff like this when you are the star for a team and get paid. I'd say sapping all his energy is a bit of a stretch, he just has lower overall stamina which has improved steadily since Catalunya. Had he not fubared Donington with the wets decision, maybe he finishes in the top three ( or wins ) and magically everything is ok. Instead he drops out of the title chase, so taking off the next few races seems a better option. I'm willing to bet that the result in Donington was more a deciding factor in this decision than his actual physical shape. If he places in Donington, he's on the bike this weekend.
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Maybe someone else that has dealt with it can chime in as well. Anemia is not "
a little fatigue
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I had to deal with it when I was younger and I'm amazed he has even finished those races, let alone placed. Without knowing more medical info it's hard to say much about all the circumstances. Just dealing with anemia alone would be a real pita while trying to race.
Personally I want to see him race. But I understand it might take a move like this to get it straightened out. Even with the medical staff he has access to. Besides it's just racing around on a track. I would put personal health before missing a few races. No matter how important they are. Hope he can get back on his feet and be ready for next year [moto]
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Quote from: Jester on August 10, 2009, 12:31:45 PM
Pedro can have some impact on the point distribution,
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August 10, 2009, 02:28:06 PM »
If I were Ducati, I'd:
1) Nicely, ask his wife to stay out of the paddock
2) Send him away to a remote island (or Iceland) for a week's retreat with Troy Bayliss
3) Set up around the paddock half-a-dozen, life-size cardboard grinning Rossis holding the '08 USGP trophy....gotta find out fast if he's worth holding on to....if he doesn't like it then fire his ozzie azz....
4) Regardless, start working feverishly with Nicky to give him a bike he can podium with...
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Quote from: OT on August 10, 2009, 02:28:06 PM
If I were Ducati, I'd:
learn to count to 4? Sorry. I really am. I just couldn't stop myself.
Why ask his wife to stay out of the paddock? You think she is sucking the win (both figuratively and literally) out of him? And I don't think added pressure is gonna help the poor young one's brain problem (to the extent he has one). He just needs some rest, a coupla fluffers and a deserted beach. So says Doc Spidey.
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August 10, 2009, 02:58:56 PM »
Huh, what are you talking about - count to 4?
(At the risk of being too cerebral and blowing this out of proportion
) I don't see how he and his team can focus and work at the very serious business of racing (i.e., do his/their job) with his spouse 'hanging around' the office. Regardless of her demeanor and/or professionalism/behavior, she's there and, therefore, inside his 22-year-old head. Also, the crew has to watch what they say and how they act around her, lest it be sensed and/or misinterpreted and fed back to Casey "on the pillow" later in the day. We already know he has a "sabotage" complex....
Same would apply if she was the rider and he was the supportive spouse. Reducto ad absurdum....NASA sending a few 'supportive spouses/SOs' along on a space shuttle mission.....would be interesting to see how that would turn out
The troughs of sports history are full of once-great, no-longer-young athletes (male and female) whose careers ended real early because they couldn't keep their eyes on the prize and thought their talent would carry them forever... Casey got to the top quickly - perhaps he'll learn, before it's too late, that it takes a lot more work to stay there.
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August 10, 2009, 03:09:22 PM »
Why would anyone disregard the news and assume it's all in his head or what-ev? That's a bit oddly self serving, no? WTF facts has anyone got at all?
All this big smack talk about what a pansy Stoner is. Gawddam. Like any of you could pass him on his worst day. Fek.
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/Stoner+to+miss+Czech+GP
"The doctors believe that during the Barcelona race I was suffering from a virus, and, that I subsequently pushed my body too hard, leading to problems that have caused my fatigue since then. " -Stoner
Shitfokpissdamnsh*t this sucks. I don't want to watch the Rossi-Lorenzo show the rest of the season. boring.
Quote from: Spidey on August 10, 2009, 02:33:11 PM
He just needs some rest, a coupla fluffers and a deserted beach. So says Doc Spidey.
I'm taking your advice myself.
Outer Banks... fluffer in tow. l8r
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Quote from: OT on August 10, 2009, 02:58:56 PM
(At the risk of being too cerebral and blowing this out of proportion
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apparently that's a risk you are willing to take!
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August 10, 2009, 03:27:21 PM »
Quote from: gm2 on August 10, 2009, 03:19:16 PM
apparently that's a risk you are willing to take!
At my age that's not much of a risk
Not being able to ride faster than Casey is the only thing he's better at than most people here.
Besides, I just didn't want point 1 to overshadow points 2, 2, and 3, lest I be perceived as a pig...
Casey's the deer that's caught in the M1's headlights.....Needs a major attitude/paradigm adjustment asap - then he'll be feeling a whole lot better. Might even win another title or two.
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