Moon Landing

Started by NAKID, July 19, 2009, 04:26:03 PM

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NAKID

Here are just some of the reasons. I don't believe all of them either, as some are way to easy to explain away.
Quote from: Pakhan on July 20, 2009, 07:07:13 AM
The truth about the moon: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Moon_Landing

Dude, that is a whacked out link!
Quote from: Triple J on July 20, 2009, 07:12:35 AM
Crack.  ;D

I get drug tested regularly, must be something else ;D
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Quote from: herm on July 20, 2009, 07:02:01 AM
the fact that the KGB never uncovered this huge hoax, with their available resources is enough evidence for me. if the russians actually believed that we had faked it, there is no way we would have gotten away with it. plus, they would have then put some poor schmuck on a one way trip if necessary to be first.

+11tyb

Conspiracies can only work involving as few people as possible.
The Apollo project had WAY too many people involved for a conspiracy to endure.

Or, put another way: The best kept secret between 3 people is when 2 of them are dead.


Pakhan

Quote from: NAKID on July 20, 2009, 07:14:29 AM
Here are just some of the reasons. I don't believe all of them either, as some are way to easy to explain away.
ok, which DO you believe?
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NAKID

I think the missing tapes are suspect, I think the lack of delay between the ground and craft is suspect (Someone mentioned they edited it out, I had never heard that before). I don't think we had the technology for a manned landing mission at the time. I think the "space race" motive is believable...
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Quote from: NAKID on July 20, 2009, 07:35:59 AM
I think the missing tapes are suspect, I think the lack of delay between the ground and craft is suspect (Someone mentioned they edited it out, I had never heard that before). I don't think we had the technology for a manned landing mission at the time. I think the "space race" motive is believable...

Did you see my earlier post regarding the radio delay? 1.3 seconds is hardly a delay, and would allow for a live exchange on TV/radio without a noticeable delay.

NAKID

You forgot to calculate the time it's passing through the air before it exits the atmosphere...
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Wasn't another conspiracy that the flag was blowing in the wind?

but yet....


there is no wind in space?
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Quote from: NAKID on July 20, 2009, 07:46:40 AM
You forgot to calculate the time it's passing through the air before it exits the atmosphere...

I'm guessing it would be miniscule, so I neglected it. The thinckness of our atmosphere is nothing compared to 186,000 miles. I also included the radii of the earth and moon in my calculation...increasing the overall distance...worst case they should balance out.


Triple J

Quote from: cyrus buelton on July 20, 2009, 07:48:00 AM
Wasn't another conspiracy that the flag was blowing in the wind?

but yet....


there is no wind in space?

Yep. The flag isn't blowing though. It was positioned that way by the astronauts. Since there is no atmosphere...it stayed that way.

Pakhan

Quote from: NAKID on July 20, 2009, 07:35:59 AM
I think the missing tapes are suspect.  ok but that's just speculation that can go either way depending what you want to believe.

I think the lack of delay between the ground and craft is suspect (Someone mentioned they edited it out, I had never heard that before). It is a plausible explanation, we have edited audio/ video in the past to cut out the boring bits so this argument really has nothing.

I don't think we had the technology for a manned landing mission at the time. Really? Why?  Russians had dogs, people, and other animals orbiting Earth at least 5+ years before the moon landing.  They also had unmanned satellites land on the moon 10 years before our moon landing.  I find it hard to believe we didn't have the technology.
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It's not necessarily the landing I have a problem with. It's the landing, getting out to walk, explore etc. then get back in the craft, re-launch it, and head back...
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Quote from: Triple J on July 20, 2009, 07:50:11 AM
I'm guessing it would be miniscule, so I neglected it. The thinckness of our atmosphere is nothing compared to 186,000 miles. I also included the radii of the earth and moon in my calculation...increasing the overall distance...worst case they should balance out.



Too add to this:

http://www.tpub.com/neets/book10/40a.htm
The velocity (or speed) of a radio wave radiated into free space by a transmitting antenna is equal to the speed of light - 186,000 miles per second or 300,000,000 meters per second. Because of various factors, such as barometric pressure, humidity, molecular content, etc., radio waves travel inside the Earth's atmosphere at a speed slightly less than the speed of light. Normally, in discussions of the velocity of radio waves, the velocity referred to is the speed at which radio waves travel in free space.

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The earth's atmosphere is about 100 miles thick...or ~0.05% of the distance to the moon. Therefore, the atmosphere may slightly slow down the radio wave...but the effect is essentially negligible because the distance is so small compared to the total distance to the moon.

There was no delay edited out...at least not when the moon landing was transmitted live. A delay of 1-2 seconds is well within what would sound normal.

This is why these hoax theories are BS.


Triple J

Quote from: NAKID on July 20, 2009, 07:56:00 AM
It's not necessarily the landing I have a problem with. It's the landing, getting out to walk, explore etc. then get back in the craft, re-launch it, and head back...

Why?

The Russians had already walked in space before we landed on the moon, so technology to exit the spacecraft existed. We were also already capable of leaving the earth's atmosphere...a feat MUCH harder than taking off from the moon due to much stronger gravity and the atmosphere. While it is indeed technically diffcult, it isn't not feasible.

Pakhan

Quote from: NAKID on July 20, 2009, 07:56:00 AM
It's not necessarily the landing I have a problem with. It's the landing, getting out to walk, explore etc. then get back in the craft, re-launch it, and head back...

First of all, "It's not necessarily the landing I have a problem with.It's the landing..."  [laugh]

ok, well the Russians landed a couple of satellites on the moon and they returned with moon dust.  (unless you believe this is a global hoax/ conspiracy against the common man perpetrated by the powers that be  [roll])  So landing, relaunching, and heading back is feasable.

Getting out to walk, exploring, and getting back in?  Again the Russians had the first space walk 4 years before our moon landing Leonov.  that's getting out, exploring, getting back in and returning.  Again, unless of course you believe this is a global hoax/ conspiracy against the common man perpetrated by the powers that be....
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cyrus buelton

Quote from: Triple J on July 20, 2009, 07:51:07 AM
Yep. The flag isn't blowing though. It was positioned that way by the astronauts. Since there is no atmosphere...it stayed that way.

That would make sense as the flag is positioned out in a "blowing" position.


Another issue..........


Isn't there some really thick layer of radiation one must pass through to get to the moon? I recall that being another "theory" from this show I watched on the History Channel about seven years ago.
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