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red baron

#15
August 06, 2009, 10:19:35 AM
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations... James Madison

Langanobob

#16
August 06, 2009, 03:46:13 PM
QuoteGet the metal straight first. cheeky

+1.  I've been having visions of guys mixing up wads of Bondo the size of watermelons. ;D

Prep is the most important part and poorly prepped bare metal isn't as good a base as well prepped paint.  And a thick coat of filler on any base is not good.  Fix the metal first!

And the whole topic of the fine points of applying Bondo is kind of typical of the dumbing down of America.  If you really want to do it right, get the metal as perfect as you can, then break out the torch, flux and solder  [cheeky]

ducpainter

#17
August 06, 2009, 03:57:18 PM
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
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red baron

#18
August 06, 2009, 04:16:41 PM
Quote from: ducpainter on August 06, 2009, 03:57:18 PM
What's it cost? [laugh]
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[laugh]


good luck finding lead or flux in California :P
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations... James Madison

mojo

#19
August 06, 2009, 04:21:02 PM
We had a demo at our shop a while back.  I think it's a really good idea.  It basically eliminates waste and pinholes because the tubes are sealed from the outside air and there is no mixing.  It sands and spreads similar to my beloved Rage, maybe sands a tad harder.  Because there's almost no pinholes, you can just about eliminate finishing putty.  Can't remember the price...I think it's about $30 a tube, so it's not cheap, but our 3M rep was going to give the shop the applicator gun for free if we switched, but the boss wasn't interested.
Some people are like slinky's.  They serve absolutely no purpose, but they always bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

ducpainter

#20
August 06, 2009, 04:46:49 PM
Quote from: mojo on August 06, 2009, 04:21:02 PM
We had a demo at our shop a while back.  I think it's a really good idea.  It basically eliminates waste and pinholes because the tubes are sealed from the outside air and there is no mixing.  It sands and spreads similar to my beloved Rage, maybe sands a tad harder.  Because there's almost no pinholes, you can just about eliminate finishing putty.  Can't remember the price...I think it's about $30 a tube, so it's not cheap, but our 3M rep was going to give the shop the applicator gun for free if we switched, but the boss wasn't interested.

There are some things you have to do in body work...

the biggie is to not skip any steps.

Finishing putty is inevitable. ;D
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


mojo

#21
August 06, 2009, 04:56:13 PM
QuoteFinishing putty is inevitable.
In our demo, we did sand the filler down smooth and there were no pinholes.  I'm sure that if you applied it thicker, or just gobbed it on the substrate, you would probably get pinholes.  There have been times where I needed just a light coat of Rage, and not needed finishing putty.  It's a hard habit to break (applying putty over mud), but it is possible.
These new fillers are getting better in every way, and I think bodymen just need to keep an open mind when it comes to new products because they are really being designed to make us more productive without sacrificing quality.
Some people are like slinky's.  They serve absolutely no purpose, but they always bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

ducpainter

#22
August 06, 2009, 05:13:25 PM
Quote from: mojo on August 06, 2009, 04:56:13 PM
In our demo, we did sand the filler down smooth and there were no pinholes.  I'm sure that if you applied it thicker, or just gobbed it on the substrate, you would probably get pinholes.  There have been times where I needed just a light coat of Rage, and not needed finishing putty.  It's a hard habit to break (applying putty over mud), but it is possible.
These new fillers are getting better in every way, and I think bodymen just need to keep an open mind when it comes to new products because they are really being designed to make us more productive without sacrificing quality.
I'll buy everything you said...

as long as you don't put filler over cured paint.  ;D

"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


mojo

#23
August 06, 2009, 05:15:44 PM Last Edit: August 06, 2009, 05:24:20 PM by mojo
Quoteas long as you don't put filler over cured paint.
Don't worry... it'll never happen ;)

I'm not saying this 3M product is the best thing ever (I only used it on a small piece of sheetmetal in the demo).  But, there are a lot of things that made an acceptable repair 5 years ago that you wouldn't do now. 

It's just crazy how fast things change.
Some people are like slinky's.  They serve absolutely no purpose, but they always bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.

ducpainter

#24
August 06, 2009, 06:10:35 PM
Quote from: mojo on August 06, 2009, 05:15:44 PM
Don't worry... it'll never happen ;)

I'm not saying this 3M product is the best thing ever (I only used it on a small piece of sheetmetal in the demo).  But, there are a lot of things that made an acceptable repair 5 years ago that you wouldn't do now. 

It's just crazy how fast things change.
again, I can't disagree.

I would add that the basic process hasn't changed much at all, and all these new products are just trying to make it faster.

There's lot's of ways to skin a cat. ;D

even if they're old ways.

"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


red baron

#25
August 06, 2009, 06:39:49 PM
Still watchin B&W TV?

Still mailing letters to your friends and family via USPO?

Still liking that minijet 4?


[cheeky]



I think I should go now. ;D
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations... James Madison

Grampa

#26
August 06, 2009, 06:46:28 PM
I gots a lot of filler..... anybody need to borrow some?
Gaspar, Melchior and Balthasar kicked me out of the band..... they said I didnt fit the image they were trying to project. 

So I went solo.  -Me

Some people call 911..... some people are 911
-Marcus Luttrell

ducpainter

#27
August 07, 2009, 03:12:30 AM
Quote from: trouble on August 06, 2009, 06:39:49 PM


Still liking that minijet 4?


[cheeky]



I think I should go now. ;D
not until you send me an RP to try.... ;)
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


Big Troubled Bear

#28
August 07, 2009, 03:17:32 AM
Someone dishing out free minijets ;D
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

ducpainter

#29
August 07, 2009, 03:25:44 AM
Quote from: Big Troubled Bear on August 07, 2009, 03:17:32 AM
Someone dishing out free minijets ;D
not free... >:( [laugh]

he's like a pusher...

gets you to try these things and then reels you in. ;)
"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent."


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