230

[GAAN]

so was fisher-price

[GAAN]

tell us about your GM anger issues nakid

[Slide Panda]

Tesla was the first to Mass-Produce and SELL electric cars...

No sir.  Reva has been making the G-wiz (as shit as it is) since 2001

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REVA

[NAKID]

They killed off a good thing with the EV-1...

No sir.  Reva has been making the G-wiz (as shit as it is) since 2001

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REVA

OK, in the United States...

[Porsche Monkey]

Give people incentives to ride their bikes to work. That will cut down on pollution, congestion, and wear on the roadways. let's say a tax break for someone who rides 8,000 miles a year. Everything is in place to monitor mileage already, such as state inspections or yearly registrations.

[GAAN]

the incentive would not be enough to cover tires

look at all the other tax incentives

100 dollars here, 250 there

they are never very much

the only real incentive to ride is already in place

50mpg

[Randimus Maximus]

From Autoblog.com:

"EPA has not tested a Chevy Volt and therefore cannot confirm the fuel economy values claimed by GM. EPA does applaud GM's commitment to designing and building the car of the future - an American-made car that will save families money, significantly reduce our dependence on foreign oil and create good-paying American jobs. We're proud to see American companies and American workers leading the world in the clean energy innovations that will shape the 21st century economy."

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/11/epa-backs-away-from-gm-claim-of-230-mpg-for-volt/

[NAKID]

Are they making the batteries in country?

[Slide Panda]

Probably not.  Last I heard it was S Korea

[Randimus Maximus]

Yuu is correct.  The batteries are made in South Korea.  GM is building a factory in Michigan to assemble the battery packs, however.

[il d00d]

I really wish they would stop using the Prius as the starting point for the visual design of electric or hybrid cars.  GM has done alright though - it looks like one of the better products of a flawed gene pool.

As far as technology goes, even 100 MPG for a small 4-door would be good.  We have to start someplace.  And I think what GM is bringing to the table is a plug-in electric that doesn't sacrifice range and usability.  There have been electric cars (in fact, by GM) before but none of them have really hit these marks.

[Slide Panda]

I really wish they would stop using the Prius as the starting point for the visual design of electric or hybrid cars.  GM has done alright though - it looks like one of the better products of a flawed gene pool.

Tesla did well.  Now Honda.. wow they just cloned the prius with their new hybrid

[Porsche Monkey]

the incentive would not be enough to cover tires

look at all the other tax incentives

100 dollars here, 250 there

they are never very much

the only real incentive to ride is already in place

50mpg

If they made it a worthwhile incentive it could make a difference. I'm tired of hearing "spend this much on a new car to save a few miles per gallon".  A bike leaves a much smaller carbon footprint. Less energy to build and dispose of a bike versus a car. You can't tell me if 25% more people rode to work or school it wouldn't make it better for the environment. Save the car for family time. 

[il d00d]

A bike leaves a much smaller carbon footprint.

I am not so sure about that.  Bikes are more fuel efficient, but their emissions/mile are typically much higher than a car. 

Here is a comparison I posted up in this thread

Hydrocarbon Emissions (grams per mile)
2002 Ford Expedition 4WD : 0.15

2002 YZF R6 :**4.19**
2002 BMW R1200C : 0.97
2002 Honda VTX1800C : 0.48

[Slide Panda]

We're mixing metaphors.  Carbon footprint also takes into account production 'costs' - not just tail emissions.  Though something like a prius has very low tail emissions, it takes a shit ton of energy to make one.  Something like 11,000,000 BTUs to get it to the show room.  *Edit - I was off my a factor of 10... 113,000,000 BTU  http://www.wired.com/autopia/2008/05/the-ultimate-pr/comment-page-4/

But yeah, bikes tend to put out more dirt per mile traveled than most autos.  Lack of Cat converters in many bikes plays a big roll here.. and then there's 2-smokers