with apologies to any philly fans...

[Pakhan]

what is that?

a challenge to a cock fight...

Only if it's organized, money is involved, and non performing cocks are killed off

[al@sktc]

the NFL should never have let him back in. i wonder what the PGA would have done if tiger got caught torturing dogs. where is our country's sense of right and wrong. it is shit like this that makes me ashamed of America.

[cyrus buelton]

the NFL should never have let him back in. i wonder what the PGA would have done if tiger got caught torturing dogs. where is our country's sense of right and wrong. it is shit like this that makes me ashamed of America.

So no criminal should be allowed to come back in to society for a second chance?

[al@sktc]

So no criminal should be allowed to come back in to society for a second chance?

playing pro sports is an honor and a responsibility. he should be banned from football.

[cyrus buelton]

playing pro sports is an honor and a responsibility. he should be banned from football.

The fans of the NFL should protest; I haven't seen that yet.

[Pakhan]

So no criminal should be allowed to come back in to society for a second chance?

I don't know if that should be the case, but wasn't Pete Rose banned from baseball for life because of betting?  He never killed anything and was gone. 

I think al@sktc  made a good point.  How would professional tennis, golf, various olympic sports, etc deal with an athlete that has tarnished the image of the sport?  It's funny how it just seems looser with football when it comes to bad image.

[Triple J]

It all boils down to him being talented (personally I think he is overrated, but whatever).

If the same thing would have happened to a 2nd or 3rd string QB, then he'd have received the same punishment...only no one would touch him when he returned.

There's a ton of money in football...and it is a team sport, so you don't just need one great player, you need a bunch. Because of this, talent (and thus money) overrides morals in some cases. 

It's different than Pete Rose because players betting on games puts the integrity of the game in question...the absolute worst thing that can happen to a pro sport.

IMO, football is doing pretty good to clean itself up...especially after Goodell has taken over. Things like Vick, Merriman, etc. will occassionaly happen though when players with questionable upbringing (some, not all) are suddenly handed tens of millions of dollars at the age of 22.  The NFL has specific programs all rookies must take to try and keep them out of trouble. You can show a horse water, but...

[Pakhan]

It's different than Pete Rose because players betting on games puts the integrity of the game in question...the absolute worst thing that can happen to a pro sport.

How did Rose ONLY betting on his team to win do anything to the integrity of the game?  I could understand if he bet to lose and tossed the game, but that's not the case.

[Triple J]

How did Rose ONLY betting on his team to win do anything to the integrity of the game?  I could understand if he bet to lose and tossed the game, but that's not the case.

I didn't say he did anything...MLB is worried about the perception that he altered the outcome somehow...justified or not.

His ban is an on-going message to anyone even considering betting that they're willing to ban anyone...even a Hall of Fame shoe-in.

[cyrus buelton]

The NFL has specific programs all rookies must take to try and keep them out of trouble. You can show a horse water, but...

I had a professor in college who is a CFA (certified financial analyst.....one of the hardest credentials to get, the tests and material for that are un-make the beast with two backsing-believably hard.). Anyway, he taught a basic money management class to all of the rookie Colt's or any other player that wanted some advice what to do with their newfound high dollar bank accounts.

He gave them simple advice about budgeting, credit, loans, investments, etc.


According to him, about 90% of the guys ignored it and came back to him 1-3 years later seeking advice as they had buried themselves deep in houses, cars, and of course supporting their entourage.

[Pakhan]

I didn't say he did anything...MLB is worried about the perception that he altered the outcome somehow...justified or not.

His ban is an on-going message to anyone even considering betting that they're willing to ban anyone...even a Hall of Fame shoe-in.

ok, but I think that was more MLBs perception than the fans.  I think this shows that MLB is more concerned with their players actions than the NFL is. 

[Triple J]

ok, but I think that was more MLBs perception than the fans.  I think this shows that MLB is more concerned with their players actions than the NFL is. 

Agreed that it is more MLB's perception. Most fans want Pete Rose admitted to the Hall.

MLB players haven't had the issues the NFL (or NBA) players have, so hard to tell if MLB is more concerned about their players actions (and not just the image of MLB). We'll find out if Manny, or A-Rod, Jeter, etc. ever gets busted for DUI manslaughter, dog fighting, etc.

[Triple J]

According to him, about 90% of the guys ignored it and came back to him 1-3 years later seeking advice as they had buried themselves deep in houses, cars, and of course supporting their entourage.

Not at all surprising. Take a kid who's been poor all his life and give him $10M+...suddenly he has a LOT of friends, and enjoys buying things, going out, etc.

[cyrus buelton]

Not at all surprising. Take a kid who's been poor all his life and give him $10M+...suddenly he has a LOT of friends, and enjoys buying things, going out, etc.

That is exactly what happened to Vick.

Let's face it.........he grew up in inner-city where certain things are in the cultural.

In his 60minute interview he sort of eluded to his upbringing about dog fighting being a norm.


and guys.............

it really is within that culture.

(note: that is not a racial comment, it is truthful comment regarding different cultures)

[GAAN]

Only if it's organized, money is involved, and non performing cocks are killed off

done

you bring your cock

I'll bring mine

and then...