I want to buy this guy a box of shells

[ducatiz]

I hope not.  Fact is "Gus" may have saved a lot of people.

Sad but true.

but on the other hand, if DA Johnson charges him, it might be enough to piss off enough people to get the stupid laws changes (but I digress)

I do feel bad for him -- he really sounds like it upset him pretty bad. 

Saving people by killing others in that situation can't be fun.

[cyrus buelton]

It did seem like he was upset with what he had to do.

Can't say I'd disagree if I had to lay some people down.

[Pakhan]

I read that he had a permit.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/back-at-work-harlem-store-owner-recounts-shooting/?hp

[OT]

Gus should retire and get out of Harlem asap.....his 'heroism' won't travel far there.

Bernhard Goetz did his work on the subway in midtown.

[Howie]

Gus should retire and get out of Harlem asap.....his 'heroism' won't travel far there.

Bernhard Goetz did his work on the subway in midtown.

You haven't been around that part of Harlem recently have you? 

[Pakhan]

Gus should retire and get out of Harlem asap.....his 'heroism' won't travel far there.

Bernhard Goetz did his work on the subway in midtown.

I think his heroism will travel far there.  People (even in Harlem) don't want to get robbed.

Goetz shot unarmed people who were "panhandling" (before they were going to rob him), different scenario.

[Exar Kun]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009/news/regionalnews/manhattan/man_shot_during_harlem_burglary_out_on_b_185043.htm

[cyrus buelton]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08172009/news/regionalnews/manhattan/man_shot_during_harlem_burglary_out_on_b_185043.htm

Why shouldn't he allowed to be out?

The Judge set a bond, which is probably reasonable for what the crime was, and the guy posted it.

Happens all the time.

[Pakhan]

He must have been at work a long time to get that 60k, oh wait....

[ducatiz]

Why shouldn't he allowed to be out?

The Judge set a bond, which is probably reasonable for what the crime was, and the guy posted it.

Happens all the time.

it is the "presumption of innocence" vs the "accused of a violent crime" problem.

[cyrus buelton]

it is the "presumption of innocence" vs the "accused of a violent crime" problem.

But that would be a fundamental change in the court system, right?

[ducatiz]

But that would be a fundamental change in the court system, right?

not really, it wouldn't be a hard sell in many places to change the law to require no bail for some accused.  it is done on a court's discretion basis now.  bail can be withheld for those who have a "flight risk" demonstrated.

if there is sufficient prima facie evidence of a violent crime (as there is here) i would argue that bail never be offered.

[cyrus buelton]

not really, it wouldn't be a hard sell in many places to change the law to require no bail for some accused.  it is done on a court's discretion basis now.  bail can be withheld for those who have a "flight risk" demonstrated.

if there is sufficient prima facie evidence of a violent crime (as there is here) i would argue that bail never be offered.

Well yeah, I understand in certain cases that bail should NOT be offered to a "defendant."

I just think it throws out that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing.


who knows, you are a lawyer, I am a C-List Actor. What do I know?

[ducatiz]

Well yeah, I understand in certain cases that bail should NOT be offered to a "defendant."

I just think it throws out that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing.


who knows, you are a lawyer, I am a C-List Actor. What do I know?

it doesn't throw it it.  prima facie is a fairly strong level of evidence.  in other words, you have multiple eye-witnesses in ideal conditions, video and corroborating circumstances (i.e. individual was known to the others and was full of buckshot)

in the situation here, there is plenty -- oodles, even -- of prima facie evidence.

[cyrus buelton]

So it really comes down to the Judge