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Started by Holden, August 20, 2009, 03:57:40 PM

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Holden

August 20, 2009, 03:57:40 PM
The Beverly Hills dealership says I need to bring my 696 in for its 7500 mile service because it has been a year since I bought it there. It only has 4200 miles on the clock and, being only 56% of the way to 7500 miles, I thought I'd ask to see if it's normal to bring a bike in for a one year service regardless of mileage. ???

Oil was changed at 2000 miles and 4000 miles.

My instinct says they're just trying to get more money out of the bike before it's totaled somewhere. :P

stopintime

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August 20, 2009, 04:15:37 PM
Quote from: Holden on August 20, 2009, 03:57:40 PM


My instinct says they're just trying to get more money out of the bike before it's totaled somewhere. :P

+1

or "taking good care of the customers" :P
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August 20, 2009, 04:16:54 PM
or maybe they think the oil hasn't been changed... :-\
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August 20, 2009, 05:33:19 PM
Regardless of mileage you should change the oil once a year.
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August 21, 2009, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: Ducaholic on August 20, 2009, 05:33:19 PM
Regardless of mileage you should change the oil once a year.
Why is that?

Is this "common wisdom", or is there more substantial evidence to back that up?

The best Ducati mechanic that I know of had no problem with me running one bike for three years on the same oil, since I didn't manage to ride it 3000 miles in that time.  I was going to bring it in earlier, but he recommended that I wait until it needed cam belts too.

This is for a bike that gets ridden about once a month, never sits unused for even two months, and spends most of its life under a cover in my garage.

If I were the original poster, I would wait until 7500 miles.
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August 21, 2009, 03:29:08 PM
DISCLAIMER
I am no expert, but....


I have heard the reasoning for changing the oil regardless of reaching the 3-5k mile "limit" is that contaminants can damage the engine by sitting in there for too long...
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Howie

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August 21, 2009, 05:46:35 PM
If you oil becomes too acidic, is water contaminated or has any other problem you are giving the oil three years to do it's damage instead of one.  Low mileage vehicles usually are more subject to this since the oil often doesn't come up to temperature long enough to burn off contaminants.  Also, if the vehicle is under warranty and the manufacturer says you must change your oil once a year you need to do this to maintain your warranty.

The Ducati maintenance schedule for oil and filter is 7.5K miles or one year, whichever comes first.

DarkStaR

#7
August 22, 2009, 08:56:05 AM
If you know the oil is good, and the bike does not sit for long periods of time, just wait till 7500mi.

Langanobob

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August 22, 2009, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: howie on August 21, 2009, 05:46:35 PM
If you oil becomes too acidic, is water contaminated or has any other problem you are giving the oil three years to do it's damage instead of one.  Low mileage vehicles usually are more subject to this since the oil often doesn't come up to temperature long enough to burn off contaminants.  Also, if the vehicle is under warranty and the manufacturer says you must change your oil once a year you need to do this to maintain your warranty.

The Ducati maintenance schedule for oil and filter is 7.5K miles or one year, whichever comes first.

Howie, I think you work on a lot of bikes?  Just wondering if you've ever run across any actual damage due to oil being contaminated and not changed regularly when a bike isn't run regularly?   My experience is limited compared to yours but I have more than one bike that doesn't get ridden regularly. and I've never had a problem with extended time intervals between oil changes.  I'm kind of with Scott R. Nelson on this subject.  Of course it's always safer to change once a year, but if you miss I don't think it's cause for worry. 

About warranty, I don't understand the details but if someone doesn't change oil on schedule wouldn't any rejected warranty work have to be directly caused by not changing oil?  For an extreme example, suspension work would still have to be covered?

Howie

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August 22, 2009, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: Langanobob on August 22, 2009, 11:33:26 AM
Howie, I think you work on a lot of bikes?  Just wondering if you've ever run across any actual damage due to oil being contaminated and not changed regularly when a bike isn't run regularly?   My experience is limited compared to yours but I have more than one bike that doesn't get ridden regularly. and I've never had a problem with extended time intervals between oil changes.  I'm kind of with Scott R. Nelson on this subject.  Of course it's always safer to change once a year, but if you miss I don't think it's cause for worry. 

About warranty, I don't understand the details but if someone doesn't change oil on schedule wouldn't any rejected warranty work have to be directly caused by not changing oil?  For an extreme example, suspension work would still have to be covered?

I haven't seen damage on bike engines, but I have seen it on car engines.  My professional experience is also on cars, so, needless to say, the sampling is not good.  I would expect the problem would be less on an enthusiast's bike that gets run hard when it does go on the road than Grandma's car that goes 3 miles to church on Sunday, 3 miles to Bingo on Wednesday, etc, never getting the oil hot enough to burn off contaminants.  We also did some oil analysis on lab engines and the acid levels were amazingly high.  I think the answer is do your own risk analysis.  You know the conditions your bike lives under and the cost of repair if something goes sour.  I'll take the liberty to use Scott's 851 as an example.  The bike lives in sunny, warm California and i think it is safe to assume the bike is run hard enough to burn contaminants out of the oil.  Good candidate for extended intervals?  Maybe.  Then again, before deciding I would consider the cost and availability of bottom end parts on that bike.  Me?  I would consider the oil change cheap insurance.  Then again, I am very conservative.

As to your warranty question, a defective fork, headlight or whatever would be covered since the problem is not oil related.  You might even be covered on an engine problem if you could prove the problem was not caused by lack of an oil change. 

Special K

#10
August 23, 2009, 06:17:23 AM
I get that changing the oil often is "cheap insurance" but every 2000 miles like Holden is doing seems like overkill. It's a 696, he's had it just a year. If the 600 mile service was done that's 3 oil change in the bikes first year. If he put 15,000 miles a year on I'd say 3 oil changes minimum but only 4k? If the dealer has been the one recommending all these oil changes and is now calling for a 4th I think I'd report them to the better business bureau. Find another dealer, never go back.
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