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« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2009, 04:01:34 PM »

When they do become available, would you mind updating this topic, or making a new one?
just so I know when to get some $$$ together, don't want to miss out this time  Grin

Now that I finish work at night, I wouldn't mind having a really bright tail light, easier for the Idiots drivers up here to see me when they are:
A: Sending a Text message
B: Eating a Burger
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E: Changing CD/Changing song on there iPod
F: Slapping the kids about
G: Doing anything other than paying attention to driving a Car
H: All of the Above (Correct Answer!)
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« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2009, 01:08:34 PM »

I received an update to the HSi prototype from Vizi-Tec yesterday; I'm playing hooky from work to mess with it this afternoon!

The intensity has been turned down per my request. If we call the previous intensity a 10 (or 11), the newest prototype has selectable intensities of something like 3 and 6.  If you start it up without holding the brake lever, it initializes itself as a 3.  If you hold the brake lever during start up, it initializes itself as a 6.

I recall Bernard saying that the thing was only at about 50% of total possible output originally, so I guess that means that this could potentially go up to 20 or so on the brightness scale.  Grown men would weep, or perhaps just burst into flames, though.  He Man, I'm talking at you.   Grin

These aren't necessarily production intensities, nor a production interface for choosing intensity, based upon discussions with Bernard.  But they are useful for playing around with it and seeing what sort of brightness I'd actually want in a production unit.

Here's a video of the new unit showing the two settings.

SupaNova tail light 2

The original full quality video is available here.

My opinion is that these are close to hitting the sweet spot from a product perspective.  The more dim 3 setting might be most suitable for night driving, or if you get pulled over for using the 6 setting.  The 6 setting is dang bright without being "dazzling", and is probably what I'd choose to use as a good tradeoff between being hard to ignore, and not causing an accident with a light cannon.

I'm not sure that I like the 3 setting visually all that much because of the discrete nature of the LEDs in that mode.  It's obvious that there are only a handful of LEDs, and it consequently looks less refined than the SupaNova 490i.  But on the 6 setting, that becomes less obvious, and the pure intensity makes me like it more overall than the 490i...I think.  I still love the 490i.

I'll write more after I play with it more.
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« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2009, 01:42:38 PM »

I have a few hundys laying around for a telescope i wanted to buy. How much would it cost for me to get one of these thigns to test out in NYC?

I would still like to have a particle beam canon at the rear end of my bike. There's a lot of light pollution in NYC, and during mid day light, especially in the winter (because for some reason there are no such things as clouds during that time), i think level 11, or perhaps 20  Evil may be required.

I am serious about picking one up to test if you need me too. Smiley my CA taillight took a shit on me and its parking light is blinking, so i need a replacement....well....when the stop light dies too then ill really have to!
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« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2009, 03:42:38 PM »

I'd be interested in seeing the 30% intensity in daylight outdoors.  Outdoors at 60%, the non-braking intensity is what I would like to have during braking.  I guess the 30% would probably be right along the lines of what I want.
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« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2009, 04:11:47 PM »

I'd be interested in seeing the 30% intensity in daylight outdoors.
Here ya go.

SupaNova tail light 3

The original full quality video is available here.
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« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2009, 04:32:46 PM »

Thanks.  I don't mind the dispersed LED look.  It has a technological look that appeals to me.  There is a better distinguishability between brake-on and off as well.
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« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2009, 05:38:17 PM »

I'm glad to see someone using manly LED's.  There is no such thing as too much dragon slaying lightpower is there?

I wonder what is next for Bernard? (Supposedly this is the last iteration of SupaNova for the older Monsters -- limited quantity only so get in line early!) And the big questions is thus: how can the taillight be improved beyond this in the future?  Roll Eyes Grin
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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2009, 06:03:09 PM »

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 And the big questions is thus: how can the taillight be improved beyond this in the future?  Roll Eyes Grin

 - adding the sensor idea, which Bernard mentioned - automatic adjustment Cool
 - connection to ECU and/or motion sensor, triggering some/all brake LEDs upon sudden throttle release/engine braking Cool
 
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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2009, 06:20:42 PM »

that would make the unit cost more than it needs to be. face the facts, would you actually turn down the thing? youd set it at something reasonable and forget about it.

Maybe you can use a less brighter LED. theres no point in buying poweful LEDs if you are never going to run them at a high setting.
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« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2009, 03:29:25 AM »

I wonder what is next for Bernard?

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« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2009, 09:42:38 AM »

 Roll Eyes everyone knows you use an inverse tachyon beam to see the future.
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« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2009, 12:10:11 PM »

Only if you want it see it upside down...

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« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2009, 11:50:26 AM »

These aren't necessarily production intensities, nor a production interface for choosing intensity, based upon discussions with Bernard.  But they are useful for playing around with it and seeing what sort of brightness I'd actually want in a production unit.
Yes. The end product will have an interface via brake/turn signals switch to neither temporarily set a power level of your choice, or permanently flash the ROM so selected level becomes your new default level.

I'm not sure that I like the 3 setting visually all that much because of the discrete nature of the LEDs in that mode.  It's obvious that there are only a handful of LEDs, and it consequently looks less refined than the SupaNova 490i.  But on the 6 setting, that becomes less obvious, and the pure intensity makes me like it more overall than the 490i...I think.  I still love the 490i.
Like i've said all along. The SupaNova-HSi will never be as "pretty" as the SN490i to view. However, it will out shine it due to its raw power. This was the indent of its creation. Raw power. Also i would like to add that the production version of the HSi will have a more uniform LED placement pattern then what you are seeing per Tom's vids/pics. Ver2 of the PCB will yield a more refined less dispersed look.

I'm glad to see someone using manly LED's.  There is no such thing as too much dragon slaying lightpower is there?

I wonder what is next for Bernard? (Supposedly this is the last iteration of SupaNova for the older Monsters -- limited quantity only so get in line early!) And the big questions is thus: how can the taillight be improved beyond this in the future?  Roll Eyes Grin
Thanks!  Yes. This will be the LAST design for the classic Monsters and will also be a limited production run. I was planning on 200 units, but have since decided to run with 50 due to initial cost and the fact that i don't want to spend the next 5 yrs making/sustaining these. I'll look on how well these 50 go and will revisit the idea of running a 2nd batch next year.  The design is 100% done. I'm currently having some major issues procuring some of the parts at a decent price and lead time. So really there is no reason why i can't take orders now. These will list for ~10% less then the SN490i.
As to what is next for Beranrd? Mark you know what we're working buddy chug  Shuuuu... top secret stuff which will come to light soon.
For others reading this post. Let's just say that there are a few MotoCreations/Vizi-tec ventures in the works. One of which is already complete. Our quality and functionality will be second to none.

Maybe you can use a less brighter LED. theres no point in buying poweful LEDs if you are never going to run them at a high setting.
I looked into this. The only less powerful LED that would have met my specs(dispersal angle, wavelenght, efficiency linearity, heat resistance, footprint, package) was unattainable for this production numbers. The vendor would not move on their minimum buy numbers. If i got them at the price they offered via distributors? The cost was slightly less then the more powerful LEDs. The vendor for the more powerful LEDs allowed me to buy direct with a much lower volume. It boilded down to a price point that was about the same. So i used the powerful LEDs.

Technically speaking, efficiency of any LED will degrade over time. The harder they are driven to the edge of their operating envelope the sooner this will become fact. LEDs can degrade as much as 25% of their initial light output. These bigger more powerful LEDs i'm using in the SupaNova-HSi are no where being driven near their max operation limits; Even at the brightest power level selection.
Per my design, the light level you select today, will be the light level(or very  near) the output level you will get 5 years from now.  If the less powerful LED were used? They would have had to be driven much harder towards their max operation limits to archive even ~20% of the powerful ones.  Bottomline: I chose to build a robust system.
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« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2009, 11:58:44 AM »

How can we get on the waiting list?

Robust sounds good to me!

Is there anyway you can supply additional clear lens?
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« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2009, 12:16:36 PM »

How can we get on the waiting list?

Robust sounds good to me!

Is there anyway you can supply additional clear lens?

I have a list already from ppl who are interested and whom have missed out on the SN490i.
If you are interested shoot me an email at bernard@vizi-tec.com with your name. I'll send out a mass email when I post and accept orders along with link to order page. If limit of 46(i'm holding on to 4) is reached i will let you know.

I ship with your choice of smoked, clear, blue, yellow and  red <red only for none integrated>. When you put amber/yellow LEDs behind a red lens the red filters out the amber/yellow colour and what you get is  vomit. Also unsafe. That is why i don't ship integrated units with red lens.
Yes i can supply additional lens. I've done this in the past.
BTW: The SupaNova will not work with the stock lens.
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