748 vs 749 track bike - advice needed

[killerniceguy]

Now, maybe I am the voice of dissent here with what you should think about doing, but I have seen some Sport Classic's and Paul Smart's hotted up nicely putting high 90's to low 100's in HP ( after putting in and tuning 1080 kits and things along that nature) and with the right suspension, you can run hard and fast  and have some lower maintenance costs in the long run. Maybe I am off base here, just seems like a better option to me.

A 2V would be my first choice, they are just very hard to find up here.

[ducpainter]

Maybe I need to explain my "steer like a truck" comment a little better.

A 996 requires a lot of input to get the thing turned in. Once the process is started the bike is very stable, holds it's line really well, and responds to inputs normally. I think the added weight and different geometry of the SBK chassis made the transition from the SS more difficult.

That said a triangulated front tire shape made all the difference in turn in for me. I don't know what KNG will be running for rubber, but if you end up with an early chassis you should keep that in mind.

[killerniceguy]

That said a triangulated front tire shape made all the difference in turn in for me. I don't know what KNG will be running for rubber, but if you end up with an early chassis you should keep that in mind.

I can run slicks in the class.  The new Bridgestone BT003 slick has a very triangular profile.  Most guys run Pirellis up here as the track support seems to be the best.

[fasterblkduc]

I would agree with that. They are very difficult to turn in, but once commited, feel very stable. I will add that they tend to run wide out of corners too.

Tire selection is key but even with the right profile, that chassis is no comparison to the new designs, and can never be as nice as a modern I-4 middleweight.

[ducpainter]

I would agree with that. They are very difficult to turn in, but once commited, feel very stable. I will add that they tend to run wide out of corners too.

Tire selection is key but even with the right profile, that chassis is no comparison to the new designs, and can never be as nice as a modern I-4 middleweight.

Someone needs to check their swing arm angle.

I completely agree about the newer chassis designs, the 848/1098 being light years ahead of either of the older ones.

[zooom]

A 2V would be my first choice, they are just very hard to find up here.

up where? in the Great White North?

what about finding one built by Guy Martin?

[killerniceguy]

up where? in the Great White North?

what about finding one built by Guy Martin?

Those bikes are really nice.  Lots of trick bits.

[ducpainter]

up where? in the Great White North?

what about finding one built by Guy Martin?

But with a 2V built to those specs the reliability/longevity might be cost prohibitive. You don't get a 2V over 100 hp without sacrificing some of what makes them so bulletproof.

[ducpainter]

I can run slicks in the class.  The new Bridgestone BT003 slick has a very triangular profile.  Most guys run Pirellis up here as the track support seems to be the best.

No FHE with either of those.

I've always run Michelins. I know that many here hate them. I haven't been bitten by their lack of feed back when they go off.

If I'm lucky I'll switch before that happens.

[fasterblkduc]

Someone needs to check their swing arm angle.

My wife says it's just fine....oh wait

[zooom]

But with a 2V built to those specs the reliability/longevity might be cost prohibitive. You don't get a 2V over 100 hp without sacrificing some of what makes them so bulletproof.

there is nothing saying you have to go to the lengths that I have seen, and while it might not be as reliable as what they are untouched, they certainly aren't going to necessarily be prone to grenading or anything, unless you seriously push the limitations. I am talking the smaller 1080 bore kit with some performance cams and a little cleaning up of the porting to better the flowing of the heads with some of the normal mods to follow isn't as radical as some that I have seen and still makes for respectable HP #'s and good feel and response.

[zooom]

if a 749 ends up being the ticket...here are 2 bikes that a local racer here pointed out that I thought I;d share....


2005 Ducati 749R
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showpost.php?p=703328&postcount=1
Ducati Corsa Billet Clutch Piston
Ducati Corsa Electronic Gearchange
Ducati Corsa Ergal Belt Rollers
Ducati Corsa Ergal SPKT 40T 520
Ducati Corsa Ergal SPKT 41T 520
Ducati Corsa Fairing Stay & Wire Harness
Ducati Corsa Fuel Filler Cap
Ducati Corsa LTWT SPKT 14T 520
Ducati Corsa LTWT SPKT 15T 520
Ducati Corsa Magnesium Clutch Side Casing
Ducati Corsa Magnesium head cover kit, rear - alt. side
Ducati Corsa Magnesium head inner cover kit - timing side
Ducati Corsa Light Alloy Clutch
Ducati Corse Racing Kit
GP Suspension
Leo Vince 57mm Exhaust FAC
Power Commander III
RK GOLD 520 Chain
Section 8 Superbike 3 GAL fuel tank
SharkSkinz
SpeedyMoto Anodized Clutch Springs
SpeedyMoto Clutch Cover
SpeedyMoto Water Pump Cover
Swing Arm Sliders
Throttle cam system
Titanium hndlbr rsv cvs
Zero Gravity Windscreen
Spare wheels with rotor's
Speedy moto adjustable clip on's
brembo remote master cylinder
848 Donnie Unger built motor from Ducpond motorsport's

I have all the stock bodywork and the R tank.wiring loom etc.the bike comes with a ton of spare's gauge pack ,clip on's, radiator , vortex faring stay.
Asking 13,500 for the whole set up. You can email me at jrockcolors@yahoo.com
 
05' Ducati 749S
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showpost.php?p=706647&postcount=1
This bike was used as a back up bike to the R bike.It was race prepped and mostly sat in the trailer. It has 3978 miles and all service records. I also have all the street bodywork, lights,pipe, etc.It can be switched back to street trim if you like before picking up or shipping. Here is a set up list.
Termi pipe
DP race wire harness
Power commander
DP air filters
Shark skins body work
Yoyodyne upper faring stay
Race tech 20mm kit up front
Ohlins shock in rear
All suspension done by MRP Motorsports in Baltimore
All fluids are fresh and ready to go
This bike runs great and handles even better.Asking 7,800 obo
Email me at jrockcolors@yahoo.com for better pics and more info.

[EvilSteve]

My favorite **9 bike is the 749R, such a beautiful bike. If you have the cash, I'd definitely go for the 749 over the 748 but just be prepared to spend money on maintenance & parts. Remember of course that you may not have the parts availability that you might with a more common bike and that you'll probably need some specific tools in order to work on the bike.

I'd be very tempted to trade my 675 for a 749R... *drool*

[DesmoDiva]

^^  That 749S is a steal  

Actually both are a great value.

I love my 749 but have yet to take her to the track.  She definately yearns to be flogged more that I can safely do on the street.  

Good luck with your search.  

[He Man]

I'd be very tempted to trade my 675 for a 749R... *drool*

Id do that for just the 749s. BUt id much perfer the 999S.

I've sat but never ridden a 748/996/8 but i have the 749S. Im not sure how different the two are, but the 749 is so hard to steer, you might as well parallel park into a tight spot without power steering. You really have to grow some balls and man handle it.