No more Buell...

[NorDog]

At this rate, maybe the dealer will pay ME to take a Buell Blast.   [moto]

[Super T.I.B]

AMF should take over both brands.


Oh wait....

[kingbaby]

AMF should take over both brands.


Oh wait....

Smartass         

[ducatiz]

stop the presses



http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/20/buell-will-be-back-county-officials-throwing-axed-hd-brand-a-li/
 

[kopfjäger]

Apples and oranges. The PS1000 is an air cooled bike running against water cooled ones.

The 848 running against 600s is merely the +/- 200 cc advantage given to twins (probably with weight restrictions as well). 200cc advantage is a far cry from a 525cc advantage.

You know all that though. 

My point being that the Buell is not the only bike given an advantage. This has been going
on in different forms of motorsports for years. Hell, look at the GT2 class in ALMS.

[Triple J]

My point being that the Buell is not the only bike given an advantage. This has been going
on in different forms of motorsports for years. Hell, look at the GT2 class in ALMS.

The distinction is whether it is an advantage...or whether it is just leveling the playing field. In your Duc examples I would say it is the latter.

[Raux]

stop the presses



http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/20/buell-will-be-back-county-officials-throwing-axed-hd-brand-a-li/
 

no way HD will let this happen. one it's their product and they killed it and they still own it. two it would be a slap in their face if someone else succeeded with it. HD is so egotistical about it's good name and reputation... i can't see this going through.

BUT saying that, it would be cool if Buell starting using another V-2 motor shaped like and L   

[ducatiz]

BUT saying that, it would be cool if Buell starting using another V-2 motor shaped like and L   

**jack

it's my understanding that "V2" refers to engines with separate crank journals for each rod wheras "V twin" refers to an engine with a single journal for both rods... 

[junior varsity]

i personally prefer they are called diaries, but hey, that's just me.

[superjohn]

My point being that the Buell is not the only bike given an advantage. This has been going
on in different forms of motorsports for years. Hell, look at the GT2 class in ALMS.

There's a difference between advantage and equivalency. In the aforementioned ALMS GT2 example, the ACO and IMSA have developed an equivalency formula to level different types of engines and drivetrains to allow an equal playing field. So a Corvette Z06 based race car can compete against a Porsche 911 or Ferrari F430 with radically different layouts.

The difference is, the equivalency is based on technology not manufacturer. So an Aston Martin running a 6 litre V8 would have the same rules as the Corvette running the 6 litre V8. With DMG, they have chosen to execute an equivalency formula based on manufacturer, so where a Ducati and a Buell have very similar technological specifications, the Buell is given a pass for 1125cc where the Ducati is restricted to 848cc merely based on the production models on the showroom floor.

If Honda came out with an 1125cc V twin next year, there is no way DMG is going to let it into the class. (though it'd be fun to see them do it)

[junior varsity]

I think that's my number 1 beef with the rule set. It seems like it should be as simple as

2 cyl = XXX displacement
3 cyl = YYY displacement
4 cyl = ZZZ displacement
5 cyl = WWW displacement

Manufacturer should never be mentioned in the rule, neither is engine layout. Boxers or Vs or Ls get whatever the limit for that number of cylinders is. Any colossal advantages could be remedied by weight restrictions as seasons progress.

[ducatiz]

If Honda came out with an 1125cc V twin next year, there is no way DMG is going to let it into the class. (though it'd be fun to see them do it)

 

[bluemoco]

Well, this explains why dealers are able to sell Buells at such huge discounts.  Harley is paying them $5000 for each Buell they sell, regardless of model.   

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2009/10/harley-paying-dealers-5000-for.html#more

[NorDog]

To follow up on my previous post about why I went S4RS instead of 1125R, I dind't want to take a high performance bike to an HD dealer for service.  Every dealer I've ever been to always has the Buells (if they even carried Buells; not all dealers did) stuck in a corner.  The staff didn't seem to know anything about them or care about them at all.  Plus, the dealer that was doing the service on my FXDX did shoddy work imo.

There was no way I wanted the knuckledraggers botching work on my HD to be working on my (prospective) 1125R, and there was no way they would give me good advice for performance upgrades.

Too many HD dealers are all about selling chrome covers for bolts and frame necks and primary covers (yeah, a cover for a cover) to guys with H.O.G. print doo-rags.

Harley is killing itself.

[derby]

Well, this explains why dealers are able to sell Buells at such huge discounts.  Harley is paying them $5000 for each Buell they sell, regardless of model.  

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2009/10/harley-paying-dealers-5000-for.html#more

i could've sworn i mentioned that elsewhere.

they're gonna have to compete with the new ones first...

$5000 rebates at the moment.