Main Menu

Computer memory question - now windows 7 tech thread

Started by mitt, October 21, 2009, 07:01:32 AM

Previous topic - Next topic
Print
Go Down Pages 1 2 3 4
User actions

ZLTFUL

#30
October 30, 2009, 05:37:09 AM
Going from Vista to 7is almost completely automated. You click OK a couple of times and that is all there is to it.

XP to 7 tends to be...a bit more complicated. Hehe

The biggest push for Win 7 was for it to not be the resource hog that Vista is. It is also confgured to take advantage of new tech such as SSDs.

While Mad Duc and I disagree on the SSD thing (a 30 GB OCZ Vertex will give you wet dreams about geeky speed), the swap file advice is spot on.
With 2 drives, both being fresh formats and blank, install your OS on to the first drive. Once that is done, create your swap file on the second drive before putting anything else on there. It's OK to use it for storage as it will be used less (key is least used drive) than the OS/Apps drive.
 
Avatar courtesy of www.mybadco.com
2012 Panigale 1199
2003 KTM 640 Adventure

mitt

#31
October 30, 2009, 05:41:54 AM
Quote from: Mr. Exact on October 30, 2009, 04:48:41 AM
Can you switch from Vista to 7 without wiping your drive? The switch from XP to Vista would require wiping everything in the process...

I think so.  I went from XP to 7, so I had to do a "wipe", although the disk formatting was pretty weak.

There was something fishy about the install.  My first 7 install, I created the first user "Chad", that had admin priv.  I didn't like the name, because I wanted a standard user Chad, so I changed the account name in control panel users.  I looked at the user folders though, and it didn't change the Chad folder name...

So, I installed again, formatting the hd again, and picked a different 1st account name "Admin1".  I then created a user Chad, and a user Julie.  The 2 user folders had different icons though - one had a lock on it and the other not.  They had different sharing configurations, which was odd.  I wonder if the 2nd install picked up a setting from the first install that was still on the hd with user name Chad?  The format option is just a quick format, not a complete format.

mitt

derby

#32
October 30, 2009, 06:31:44 AM
Quote from: mitt on October 30, 2009, 05:41:54 AM
I think so.  I went from XP to 7, so I had to do a "wipe", although the disk formatting was pretty weak.

There was something fishy about the install.  My first 7 install, I created the first user "Chad", that had admin priv.  I didn't like the name, because I wanted a standard user Chad, so I changed the account name in control panel users.  I looked at the user folders though, and it didn't change the Chad folder name...

standard behavior... xp does the same thing.

Quote from: mitt on October 30, 2009, 05:41:54 AMSo, I installed again, formatting the hd again, and picked a different 1st account name "Admin1".  I then created a user Chad, and a user Julie.  The 2 user folders had different icons though - one had a lock on it and the other not.  They had different sharing configurations, which was odd.  I wonder if the 2nd install picked up a setting from the first install that was still on the hd with user name Chad?  The format option is just a quick format, not a complete format.


now that is odd.

a quick format basically just deletes the file allocation table.
-- derby

'07 Suz GSX-R750

Retired rides: '05 Duc Monster S4R, '99 Yam YZF-R1, '98 Hon CBR600F3, '97 Suz GSX-R750, '96 Hon CBR600F3, '94 Hon CBR600F2, '91 Hon Hawk GT, '91 Yam YSR-50, '87 Yam YSR-50

click here for info about my avatar

mitt

#33
October 30, 2009, 06:38:37 AM
Quote from: derby on October 30, 2009, 06:31:44 AM
standard behavior... xp does the same thing.

now that is odd.

a quick format basically just deletes the file allocation table.

Is there a more complete way to do a clean install?


To get rid of the locked user icon, I manually went into the user folders, properties, security, and set the properties of the locked folder like the unlocked folder, and then the icons were the same.

I check the rights by doing a quick test - Admin1 can delete both user files, while user 1 cannot delete user 2 or vice versa.

mitt

ducatiz

#34
October 30, 2009, 06:57:57 AM
Quote from: mitt on October 30, 2009, 06:38:37 AM
Is there a more complete way to do a clean install?


To get rid of the locked user icon, I manually went into the user folders, properties, security, and set the properties of the locked folder like the unlocked folder, and then the icons were the same.

I check the rights by doing a quick test - Admin1 can delete both user files, while user 1 cannot delete user 2 or vice versa.

mitt

Deletes the FAT?  You mean the MFT?

That is very weird behavior.  IF you did ANY kind of format and hten overwrote the disk, it should not be able to see the old data *unless you are digging for it with a utility.

Quick format should be sufficient.. wtf?

Keep us posted.
Check out my oil filter forensics thread!                     Offended? Click here
"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

mitt

#35
October 30, 2009, 07:13:14 AM
I might just do a 3rd install, and use unused 1st account name and user account names and see what happens.  >:(

mitt

derby

#36
October 30, 2009, 07:48:29 AM
Quote from: ducatiz on October 30, 2009, 06:57:57 AM

Deletes the FAT?  You mean the MFT?


i meant "allocation table" generically, but yeah, mft/master file table for ntfs.

Quote from: ducatiz on October 30, 2009, 06:57:57 AM

That is very weird behavior.  IF you did ANY kind of format and hten overwrote the disk, it should not be able to see the old data *unless you are digging for it with a utility.


not exactly... both a quick format and a "full" format delete the fat/mft. the big difference is that the full format scans the entire partition for bad blocks/errors, etc. a full doesn't actually overwrite anything.

Quote from: ducatiz on October 30, 2009, 06:57:57 AM

Quick format should be sufficient.. wtf?


it depends. if you know the underlying disk hardware is good, a quick format is sufficient. that said, time permitting, i generally do a full format unless i'm dealing with a SAN disk (i have full confidence in the reliability of those disks/volumes due to the underlying architecture).
-- derby

'07 Suz GSX-R750

Retired rides: '05 Duc Monster S4R, '99 Yam YZF-R1, '98 Hon CBR600F3, '97 Suz GSX-R750, '96 Hon CBR600F3, '94 Hon CBR600F2, '91 Hon Hawk GT, '91 Yam YSR-50, '87 Yam YSR-50

click here for info about my avatar

ducatiz

#37
October 30, 2009, 07:50:19 AM
I wsant thinking about sector integrity I was thinking about the new os seeing the old one. 
Check out my oil filter forensics thread!                     Offended? Click here
"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

mitt

#38
October 30, 2009, 08:06:01 AM
Quote from: ducatiz on October 30, 2009, 07:50:19 AM
I wsant thinking about sector integrity I was thinking about the new os seeing the old one. 

I could imagine a scenario where it could happen.  Since the format doesn't actually delete the data off the hd, if while reinstalling the same version of OS, you installed a new standard user with the same name as an old admin user, and the OS found some of the old account permissions on the disk???

ducatiz

#39
October 30, 2009, 08:14:48 AM
But it wouldn't with the MFT deleted.  File security is in the mft as is name, # blocks etc
Check out my oil filter forensics thread!                     Offended? Click here
"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.

mitt

#40
October 30, 2009, 08:20:30 AM
I am going to reinstall 1 more time anyway, I made my OS partition too big I think.

Oldfisti

#41
October 30, 2009, 08:37:47 AM
THREADJACK


My machine likes to crash a lot running vista.


I wonder if switching to win 7 would do anything to help?

1 yr old custom built desktop with fairly stout specs (Q9550 2.83gb processor and 4gb ddr3 mem)
Quote from: Sinister on November 06, 2008, 12:47:21 PM
It's like I keep saying:  Those who would sacrifice a free range session for a giant beer, deserve neither free range time nor a giant beer.
Quote from: KnightofNi on November 10, 2009, 04:45:16 AM
i have had guys reach back and grab my crotch in an attempt to get around me. i'll either blow in their ear or ask them politely to let go of my wang.

derby

#42
October 30, 2009, 08:39:43 AM
Quote from: alfisti on October 30, 2009, 08:37:47 AM

I wonder if switching to win 7 would do anything to help?


depends on what the reason for the crashes are (faulty hardware, bad drivers, user error  ;D)...
-- derby

'07 Suz GSX-R750

Retired rides: '05 Duc Monster S4R, '99 Yam YZF-R1, '98 Hon CBR600F3, '97 Suz GSX-R750, '96 Hon CBR600F3, '94 Hon CBR600F2, '91 Hon Hawk GT, '91 Yam YSR-50, '87 Yam YSR-50

click here for info about my avatar

Oldfisti

#43
October 30, 2009, 08:52:07 AM
Quote from: derby on October 30, 2009, 08:39:43 AM
depends on what the reason for the crashes are (faulty hardware, bad drivers, user error  ;D)...


Prolly a loose nut behind the keyboard!   [laugh]


Should I check my error log and see what I can glean from it?
Quote from: Sinister on November 06, 2008, 12:47:21 PM
It's like I keep saying:  Those who would sacrifice a free range session for a giant beer, deserve neither free range time nor a giant beer.
Quote from: KnightofNi on November 10, 2009, 04:45:16 AM
i have had guys reach back and grab my crotch in an attempt to get around me. i'll either blow in their ear or ask them politely to let go of my wang.

ducatiz

#44
October 30, 2009, 09:00:20 AM
Reseat everything in a socket or slot.in ye olde days we'd use a pencil eraser on the card contacts but now most are gold 
Check out my oil filter forensics thread!                     Offended? Click here
"Yelling out of cars, turning your speakers out the window to blast your music onto the street, setting off M-80 firecrackers, firing automatic weapons into the airâ€"these are all well and good. But none of them create a merry atmosphere of insouciance and bonhomie quite like a revving motorcycle.
Print
Go Up Pages 1 2 3 4
User actions